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hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin

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Wilshire host and we have a great show

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tonight actually this is the last of the

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last time I think it's five weeks now

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that I've been in hotel rooms and this

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is the last time I'll be back at the

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home studio coming up next week I'm

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pretty excited about it even though I'll

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be going back to snow

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it'll still be great to be in the home

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studio and have actually more control to

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be able to do a better shows for you and

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we have some great ones coming up and

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speaking of that next week we have a

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Kevin day he was on the USS Nimitz as

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the radar radar person I don't under the

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radar tech I don't know what you call

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that awful operator radar operator thank

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you race so I want to hone up welcome

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everyone over at KCRA and on YouTube and

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I want to also thank all the support of

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the supporters of the show very much

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without you we couldn't have a show so I

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really do appreciate it and our guest

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tonight is Earl Grey he's in Southern

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California and he's a musician and he

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his mother had a quite an experience

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we're gonna be talking about all that

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and how he got interested in the topic

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and he's also a MUFON researcher and

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we'll talk about some California cases

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and you name it now just a quick update

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here Alejandro is a little under the

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weather so unfortunately he's not

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joining us this week he will be back

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next week so I just wanted to talk

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quickly I stopped over and saw a great

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friend from years ago decades ago he was

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my roommate and I visited him that's

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when I lived in Colorado many years ago

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and so we just were having a dinner time

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chat and one thing led to another and

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all of a sudden that

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topic of his mom was there and she

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actually follows me on Facebook and she

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says I really like the space stuff and I

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go oh you know cuz a lot of people will

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tag me and you know UFO related things

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so and I try to untag myself because I

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also have to maintain a you know

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professional for what I do so I I don't

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do too much of that on my own personal

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Facebook page but it still gets on there

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anyway she said she really likes that

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and I said Wow okay so I started talking

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about I'm doing a show on UFOs and so

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Larry's wife Renee told me some amazing

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sightings that she had she had three and

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when I was telling her I did a show on

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UFOs and you know some people think it's

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kind of out there and all that and she

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like shook her head no and then she

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started telling me her experiences and

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one was really unique it it was

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something that actually came out she saw

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lights in a tree and it actually it was

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an object that came out of the

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treatments back in the 1970s and then

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she had other other encounters were one

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involved some police officers and that

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was really interesting they jumped in

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their car and left they didn't want to

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talk about it and then also she was up

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at a like a campfire you know years

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no one was drinking or smoking or

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anything and they had a great encounter

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as well right over their head it was

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just hovering right over there had a

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the wood of the tree that she mentioned

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one in particular she said it was kind

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of small like the size of a table the

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one that she had where the police

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a cylinder so that's really interesting

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she saw was more like a disc but anyway

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it was really fun to hear those stories

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so that's it for me again I want to

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thank everyone that helps out with the

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show and we are we're ready to bring in

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our guest Earl welcome to the show

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hi there Mardon how are you doing good

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you remember to unmute that's always

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good so Earl I've heard your name a lot

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and you know as you know I I help out

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Alejandro with his show and he had you

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something about a UFO researcher that

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rocks or something like that that was

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about two and a half years ago or so

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that but but I bump into alejandro

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you know alien con we bumped into each

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other and you know yeah I see him at

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different event so I always keep in

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touch with that longer up yeah he's a

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great guy unfortunates under the weather

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but he'll be back sorry to hear that

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yeah get back next week and so can you

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give the listeners never heard your

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story yeah basically your basic

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background if you would sure um well now

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I became a MUFON field investigator it's

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coming on for years now and in a couple

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of months it'll be four years and the

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way that this happened for me all my

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life I've been interested in

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extraterrestrial life and in outer space

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it's been sort of this obsession that

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some of that may be and unequivocally it

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is because my mom back in the 1950s she

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worked for Howard Hughes the millionaire

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she worked for Hughes Aircraft she was

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one of his two private secretaries the

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way that she you know she had two

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secretaries that worked for him he had

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my mom and he had another woman who

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worked for him as well and they would

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communicate it was sort of like

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Charlie's Angels it would communicate

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have contact with people he was a

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germaphobe but he talked to my mom every

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single day they actually became very

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close in the years of my mom worked for

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him she only saw him once and and

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the way that happened was they he would

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leave it a particular time at the end of

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the day and they would make sure that

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the little hallway was clear the you

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know so that he could go and get out to

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the parking area and and not worry about

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being seen or having to deal with people

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or you know possibly catching their

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pathogens apparently but my mom was a

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little quick one one evening and she

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started going out the long hallway and

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she said that it was very chaplain esque

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that he was sort of at the end of the

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hallway that he was opening the door so

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briefcase and and out he went so that

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saw him but but other than that she

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spoke with him everyday she worked the

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office next door to his um Wow so she

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only saw him one time but she worked for

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him for years she worked for him for

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years wow that's awesome yeah now what

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my mom she told me a very strange story

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I must have been about four years old

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the first time that I heard this where

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she talked about how Hughes had sent her

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she said that he didn't give her any

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real warning about where she was going

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of nowhere is how she described it she

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never really told me what state it was

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American desert and they flew her out

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and she had a security detail and she

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said that they drove up to this little

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nondescript Shack kind of building they

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opened the door to the shack and there

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was an elevator shaft and my mom got in

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with the security detail and she said

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that it was very strange you know it was

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there there was nothing there I mean

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there was nothing there just scrub and

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flat desert Wow so so they got into the

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elevator and it went down and she said

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that it surprised her because it kept

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going down she started feeling kind of

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scared she said that she had butterflies

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in her stomach so anyhow they finally

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going to and she said that it was a Otis

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Elevator that's the other thing she kind

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corporation it was just like you would

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find in a high-rise but it was going

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down and not up so the doors opened up

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and she said that there was a bustling

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little a little city is how she

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described it a little city under the

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desert this was probably around 1956 57

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and she said that they got around in

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golf carts that there were scientists

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that were working down there on a

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satiric projects was the what she said I

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didn't know what esoteric meant when I

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was a kid so that might have been how

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who knows maybe maybe there was a

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program called a so Tarek projects I

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guess I should put in a FOIA request and

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find out but and he said Ron that she

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had worked with Werner that she knew him

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she said he was a charming man

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she said that he used to call her Betty

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Grace that was her first in her middle

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name and he would kind of call her Betty

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Grace like it was one one name and I

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guess my mom was kind of smitten by him

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it sounded like it because she kept

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bringing him up if he was on TV on Walt

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Disney's wonderful world of color or

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something she go oh it's my old friend

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but she she said that they had a movie

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theater down there a bowling alley that

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they had a little French cafe with

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barela's over patio tables and she my

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mom had a great sense of humor she

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laughed at that you know because she

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said well you don't really have to worry

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about the Sun if you're in a cave and

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that's technically where we were but but

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this is the way that they thought and

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how they treated it I guess that they

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wanted to make people feel at ease and

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at home in a comfort even though they

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were a mile under the desert floor and

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she actually did say it was a mile under

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the desert floor I'm not sure I don't

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think she was exaggerating that's that's

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just the words that she used when she

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talked about it on this subject alone

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just a quick question for you

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was there a place like I'm trying to

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picture this out in the desert I mean an

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elevator has to have like mechanics

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above it so how where was the door to go

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into this elevator did she talk about

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that it just sounds really pretty she

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said yeah she said that it was a Shack I

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she this was inside of a shack it's

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like a shack like this how she described

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it now I've recently found pictures of

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some of our missile silos from that

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period of time out in the desert and

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that's kind of what it looks like it's

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sort of a nondescript Shack maybe you

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know 30 feet across by 20 feet across

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and there would be a stairwell but in

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this case there was an elevator it was

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deeper than I guess they wanted to take

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stairs to and and here's an interesting

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thing I I have one friend you know a

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social media friend who who had an email

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from a friend of his whose mother also

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worked for Howard Hughes and I think

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that I may have found the second

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Secretary's son

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I saw email from him directed to my

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friend from a couple of years ago really

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before I started talking about this

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certainly before I was talking about it

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on the radio and he pretty much told the

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same story

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although this guy has a pension he's a

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old RAF guy and does not want to lose

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his pension so he's very reticent about

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talking about this but but it was kind

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of nice you know finally getting a

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little bit of corroboration and I I did

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see the email exchange that he had with

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this friend of mine which went back a

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couple of years ago so but we know that

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the government builds deep underground

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facilities they use a thing called a

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submarine which just you know it more or

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less can drill through the the rock and

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melt through the rock I know that often

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times they would use actual caverns that

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were already there and and kind of take

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advantage of that sort of thing so it's

302
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it's not it's not all that unusual that

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we have underground bases but it's

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unusual that it was in the middle of

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nowhere that it was more or less in the

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mid 50s because you have to wonder what

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they have now and and the other thing

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that my mom talked about as I was

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growing up and she would usually talk

310
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about it in a different context than

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when she was talking about working in

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the underground base with you know

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people like like Werner and and Oberth

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and and and those guys was my mom talked

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about extraterrestrial life my mom was

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not a UFO buff of any sort but she said

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through the years she would talk about

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it with great authority my mom said that

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the government knows that that that we

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aren't alone in the universe she said

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they they know that's that's just a fact

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they they know this and so I grew up

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with this knowledge that we weren't

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alone and you have to imagine that

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that's always been this kind of a

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driving force to for me to know more

327
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unfortunately you know my mom did have

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her security clearances and she kept

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them until the day she died

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I think that the reason why she talked

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to me back in the early 1960s and and

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why she talked about this was was

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because she thought she was finished

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working she you know she was sort of

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playing housewife and the Ozzie and

336
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Harriet thing but back in the mid 1970s

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she went back to work

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my mom wound up becoming a corporate

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headhunter for people like Lockheed

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skunkworks Northrop Boeing Raytheon you

341
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know just just all the major aerospace

342
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companies so she clamped up

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she taught she seemed to talk more

344
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freely about it when I was little when I

345
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got older my mom clammed up about it so

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it kind of became my my my trick was was

347
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trying to hear a little bit more now I

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took my mom to see Star Wars the film

349
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Star Wars it was 1977 it was a second

350
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day that it was in the theaters and I

351
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saw article about it in Time magazine I

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was thinking you know let's let's take

353
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mom to see that let's take mom you know

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let's let's see if we can find out

355
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anything else get out so it worked you

356
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know I mean we watched the film the

357
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lights came back up we we kind of sat

358
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through the credits at the end and my

359
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mom was really excited what she told me

360
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she kind of went on this big spiel and

361
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and she said Earl you have no idea

362
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Star Wars is not that far-fetched

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I remember that word-for-word she said

364
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it's not that far-fetched

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she said we know that there is life out

366
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in the universe and we're in contact

367
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with it you know and and and my mom went

368
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:03,350
off on she talked for awhile I actually

369
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got a little more information that I

370
00:18:10,390 --> 00:18:08,360
wanted at the time because I I was in my

371
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life at that point I had kind of had

372
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become a born-again Christian I was sort

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of a Churchmouse and well I you know I

374
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always believed that there was life out

375
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in the you know

376
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but I didn't really I didn't think that

377
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we had details and and my mom started

378
00:18:30,790 --> 00:18:26,360
talking about that that yes you know

379
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they're there they're here and so I've

380
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had that knowledge for a long time now

381
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my mom became more closed mouth about it

382
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as the years went on and I started

383
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asking her more pointed questions I mean

384
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I even asked her about bob lazar my mom

385
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passed in 1999 unfortunately my mom

386
00:19:02,440 --> 00:18:55,210
passed away she'd had a spate of

387
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multiple unrelated cancers and so as

388
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when after she found out that she was

389
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dying my mom became a little more

390
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voluble about this stuff she had never

391
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heard of Bob Lazar by the way I asked

392
00:19:20,170 --> 00:19:17,450
yeah not that she would have said if she

393
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:20,180
if she did know about him or if she knew

394
00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:23,930
him but but my mom what I kind of tried

395
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:26,450
to do towards the end of my mom's life I

396
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mean the doctors that they said that her

397
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cancer had metastasized that it seemed

398
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like she had been irradiated and that

399
00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:39,560
same year that she passed away there

400
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were some workers from area 51 that

401
00:19:47,830 --> 00:19:44,450
successfully sued our government for

402
00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:47,840
exposing them to harmful substances

403
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,750
right and they want a lawsuit and this

404
00:19:55,450 --> 00:19:53,120
is when when Bill Clinton actually went

405
00:19:58,380 --> 00:19:55,460
on television and told us that yes there

406
00:20:01,930 --> 00:19:58,390
is such a thing as area 51 and and and

407
00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:01,940
suddenly this this mythical place became

408
00:20:07,900 --> 00:20:04,930
a real place on on maps and everything

409
00:20:09,940 --> 00:20:07,910
so I tried to get my mom to lawyer up

410
00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:09,950
because she had had cancer six different

411
00:20:14,770 --> 00:20:13,190
times this time it was in her lungs and

412
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she had never smoked a day in her life

413
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:19,700
and and I thought you know maybe I mean

414
00:20:23,950 --> 00:20:21,890
they didn't really it's not like we were

415
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:23,960
rich we were definitely a middle-class

416
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:27,650
family and I felt like you know they

417
00:20:31,450 --> 00:20:29,330
should have taken care you know better

418
00:20:35,169 --> 00:20:31,460
care of you mom

419
00:20:36,850 --> 00:20:35,179
hurr hurr apply to all that was she said

420
00:20:39,549 --> 00:20:36,860
you know son I knew what I was getting

421
00:20:43,210 --> 00:20:39,559
into I felt that I was doing my

422
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:43,220
patriotic duty I felt like I would eat

423
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:47,090
like a soldier would feel I I was doing

424
00:20:52,149 --> 00:20:50,210
this for our country and and I knew that

425
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:52,159
there were risks involved and I wouldn't

426
00:20:57,970 --> 00:20:54,890
change anything and I'm certainly not

427
00:21:03,310 --> 00:20:57,980
going to sue my government you know I'm

428
00:21:06,399 --> 00:21:03,320
proud of what I did and that was sort of

429
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:06,409
the end of the conversation that was

430
00:21:14,049 --> 00:21:09,590
back in 1999 and she she passed away

431
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:14,059
late April the same month like just a

432
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:16,690
couple weeks after we'd had that talk

433
00:21:26,860 --> 00:21:23,919
but it's always been this huge 50-foot

434
00:21:30,370 --> 00:21:26,870
question mark in my life you know what

435
00:21:32,830 --> 00:21:30,380
else did my mom know she another

436
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,840
occasion my mom said it's realer than

437
00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:36,320
you will ever know son and I think that

438
00:21:41,850 --> 00:21:38,600
that the words it realer than you will

439
00:21:44,860 --> 00:21:41,860
ever know kind of drove me to just

440
00:21:48,100 --> 00:21:44,870
disprove that that no I can know I think

441
00:21:50,830 --> 00:21:48,110
that I can dig and I can maybe find out

442
00:21:52,870 --> 00:21:50,840
more than even you're willing to tell me

443
00:21:56,769 --> 00:21:52,880
here because she kind of gave me a

444
00:22:01,000 --> 00:21:56,779
teaser at age 4 and I went with that yes

445
00:22:02,830 --> 00:22:01,010
now what did a certain branch of the

446
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:02,840
government did she talked about you know

447
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,010
I know you said she was you worked with

448
00:22:12,220 --> 00:22:09,200
Howard Hughes and in one of his personal

449
00:22:14,980 --> 00:22:12,230
secretaries but would she also she had

450
00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:14,990
involvement with the government and do

451
00:22:20,049 --> 00:22:17,659
you know what branch or what what office

452
00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:20,059
she was involved in well I know that

453
00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:25,789
Hughes worked with he my mom was was

454
00:22:31,690 --> 00:22:28,820
never a part of the military she did

455
00:22:36,340 --> 00:22:31,700
have very high security clearances I do

456
00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:36,350
know that but she didn't she didn't

457
00:22:42,460 --> 00:22:39,289
mention a branch of the military but we

458
00:22:44,980 --> 00:22:42,470
do know that that the Army Corps of

459
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:44,990
Engineers were sort of hand-in-hand

460
00:22:53,970 --> 00:22:49,730
with Hughes we know that he that Hughes

461
00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:53,980
actually made his money from a drill bit

462
00:22:59,560 --> 00:22:57,830
we're you know the early oil you know

463
00:23:01,480 --> 00:22:59,570
bringing the oil up out of out of the

464
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:01,490
earth and he came up with a better drill

465
00:23:06,820 --> 00:23:02,990
bit and that's that's really how he

466
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:06,830
became the rich man that he was

467
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:09,410
yeah I think I saw something but I mean

468
00:23:15,850 --> 00:23:12,770
did she so she was probably a private

469
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:15,860
contractor or that's my guess

470
00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:18,770
probably wasn't very she was never in

471
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:21,350
the military herself and Hughes was a

472
00:23:29,470 --> 00:23:25,120
private contractor we've recently found

473
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:29,480
I know that Richard Sauter is written

474
00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:30,890
about this a little bit in his

475
00:23:36,130 --> 00:23:33,500
underground base's books oh yeah that

476
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:36,140
one of the earliest labs that was at

477
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:38,900
area 51 was owned by Hughes Aircraft

478
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:41,450
that that was one of them if not the

479
00:23:47,470 --> 00:23:45,410
first private contractor so that I think

480
00:23:50,049 --> 00:23:47,480
probably has something to do with what

481
00:23:52,210 --> 00:23:50,059
my mom was doing and all the scientists

482
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:52,220
that she mentioned that she knew they

483
00:23:56,530 --> 00:23:55,250
all had German names so you know I think

484
00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:56,540
that was probably something to do with

485
00:24:00,880 --> 00:23:58,610
Operation Paperclip it's just what was

486
00:24:03,910 --> 00:24:00,890
going on there you know yeah really

487
00:24:07,540 --> 00:24:03,920
really fascinating so we're coming up on

488
00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:07,550
a break I think I think we're going to

489
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:10,070
go ahead and take that break now so

490
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:13,610
we'll be right back everyone right after

491
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:14,690
these messages

492
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:23,670
all right everyone welcome back here we

493
00:24:30,450 --> 00:24:27,010
are and before we start back with our

494
00:24:33,210 --> 00:24:30,460
guest Earl Grey Anderson is his full

495
00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:33,220
name and we may even talk how he got his

496
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:35,800
name Earl Grey tea everyone thinks up

497
00:24:40,620 --> 00:24:38,530
but I just wanted to say History Channel

498
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:40,630
has just been given the green light for

499
00:24:46,710 --> 00:24:44,260
a show called unidentified inside

500
00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:46,720
America's UFO investigation it's going

501
00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:53,860
to be a six-part documents secret

502
00:24:59,190 --> 00:24:56,620
program investigating UFO phenomena and

503
00:25:02,190 --> 00:24:59,200
all that stuff and it will premiere

504
00:25:05,460 --> 00:25:02,200
sometime in may and it has you know

505
00:25:07,410 --> 00:25:05,470
people from of course to the stars

506
00:25:09,780 --> 00:25:07,420
Academy a lot of that's going to be

507
00:25:11,670 --> 00:25:09,790
involved in that

508
00:25:14,730 --> 00:25:11,680
Chris Mellon is going to be involved

509
00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:14,740
everyone that and especially Lois

510
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:17,830
Elizondo he'll be featured on that so

511
00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:19,090
that's coming up in May that's kind of

512
00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:22,120
exciting so we'll have to keep our eyes

513
00:25:26,370 --> 00:25:24,460
out for that and and check that out when

514
00:25:31,050 --> 00:25:26,380
it comes comes available

515
00:25:35,730 --> 00:25:31,060
all right back with my guest Kevin so we

516
00:25:38,490 --> 00:25:35,740
were talking Evan Kevin zanuck I'm so

517
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:38,500
sorry Earl Earl how do you get your

518
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:40,810
interest how did you get your Earl Grey

519
00:25:47,550 --> 00:25:43,750
tea name anyway is that just a nickname

520
00:25:51,330 --> 00:25:47,560
yes well my real name is Earl alright so

521
00:25:53,730 --> 00:25:51,340
I know that part yeah I might like the

522
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:53,740
TV show you know my name is Earl but my

523
00:26:01,080 --> 00:25:56,470
name is Earl yeah I was named after my

524
00:26:04,530 --> 00:26:01,090
grandfather but I'm a musician I've been

525
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:04,540
a musician many many years I still do

526
00:26:10,410 --> 00:26:07,410
that I have a gig tonight actually

527
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:10,420
police called NAT Denny's Ale House out

528
00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:12,850
in Altadena so if you're out here folks

529
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:15,670
come out and see me you know it'll be we

530
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:18,490
put together a little instant band for

531
00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:23,290
this show tonight but around 1989 I was

532
00:26:28,110 --> 00:26:25,150
playing in a place out in Santa Monica

533
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:28,120
and I was going as Earl Anderson my

534
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:30,310
birth name at the time and there was

535
00:26:34,980 --> 00:26:32,290
another gentleman by the name of Eric

536
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:34,990
Anderson who played Judas

537
00:26:40,370 --> 00:26:37,600
Jesus Christ Superstar and we both

538
00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:40,380
played the same venue pretty often and

539
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:43,390
they messed up the marquee a couple of

540
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,370
times so I would get his audience

541
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:48,159
accidentally and then he would get my

542
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:51,640
audience accidentally and he could kind

543
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:55,289
of you know full-on R&B you know he's a

544
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,610
african-american gentleman very very

545
00:27:03,480 --> 00:26:59,440
talented singer I mean while he was

546
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,490
Judas and and Jesus Christ Superstar so

547
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:05,200
I was and and there were some other

548
00:27:10,380 --> 00:27:08,260
things too you know I was just the I was

549
00:27:12,029 --> 00:27:10,390
kind of hanging out in places where I

550
00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:12,039
was hanging out with people from the

551
00:27:18,409 --> 00:27:14,950
band X and of course you had people on

552
00:27:21,090 --> 00:27:18,419
that band John Doe and Exene Cervenka

553
00:27:23,250 --> 00:27:21,100
everybody sort of had a pseudonym and so

554
00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:23,260
I started chuckling to myself well that

555
00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:26,440
would take care of the problem at at my

556
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:29,260
place over in Santa Monica where you

557
00:27:34,649 --> 00:27:32,799
know they messed up the marquee and plus

558
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:34,659
it's a memorable name I get free

559
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:36,460
advertising if you go into a coffee

560
00:27:43,230 --> 00:27:39,580
house and you look at the menu there I

561
00:27:46,649 --> 00:27:43,240
am so so I went with Earl Grey is kind

562
00:27:49,649 --> 00:27:46,659
of a joke to myself and but you know

563
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:49,659
here we here we are it's it's 30 years

564
00:27:54,510 --> 00:27:52,210
later and my kids and my grandkids call

565
00:27:56,700 --> 00:27:54,520
me or old gray now it's like I'm kind of

566
00:27:59,760 --> 00:27:56,710
stuck with that but it worked with the

567
00:28:02,970 --> 00:27:59,770
UFO thing right yeah a great great your

568
00:28:05,310 --> 00:28:02,980
the gray I'm afraid I'm not I mean I I

569
00:28:09,539 --> 00:28:05,320
have a fear that I I just don't want to

570
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,549
scare anybody you know if I get their

571
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:11,919
case and I you know you know dear

572
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:15,010
so-and-so I'm from MUFON and I've been

573
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:17,529
assigned your case and my name is Earl

574
00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:20,169
Grey so I got you know now I've kind of

575
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:21,700
put the whole thing together it's Earl

576
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:23,529
Grey Anderson and yeah and hopefully

577
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:25,450
they'll figure out that I'm not really a

578
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:29,440
grey alien correct but that's where that

579
00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:33,130
came from Mardon yeah yeah and so let's

580
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:35,230
let's talk about how you became an

581
00:28:41,010 --> 00:28:37,840
investigator how that whole thing came

582
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,020
about sure

583
00:28:46,620 --> 00:28:42,880
well you know I mean this is something

584
00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:46,630
that's just it's it's been sort of in

585
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:48,820
the back of my mind all of

586
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:51,970
my life and since my mom passed away it

587
00:28:57,870 --> 00:28:54,610
actually just became an obsession to

588
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,880
find out more about about the phenomenon

589
00:29:02,810 --> 00:29:00,399
and about what you know what she said we

590
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:02,820
we know that we're in contact with

591
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:05,289
extraterrestrials that's what she said

592
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:09,220
she said at once you know I took her to

593
00:29:14,129 --> 00:29:12,850
see the movie et yeah yeah and I figured

594
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:14,139
I might be able to get her to talk a

595
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:16,090
little bit more and this time she wasn't

596
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:18,340
talking quite as much but what she said

597
00:29:25,159 --> 00:29:21,039
was she said well it's a cute movie son

598
00:29:31,529 --> 00:29:28,590
but then she would stop talking again

599
00:29:34,139 --> 00:29:31,539
you know it's like God you know I really

600
00:29:36,869 --> 00:29:34,149
really want to know and you know it's

601
00:29:38,850 --> 00:29:36,879
like Barry Goldwater you know asking

602
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:38,860
curtis lemay if he could go to the blue

603
00:29:42,299 --> 00:29:40,210
room and he just said you don't have a

604
00:29:45,090 --> 00:29:42,309
need-to-know forget it don't ask me

605
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:45,100
again you know and and you know this is

606
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:47,980
the they say that that it's it's more

607
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:50,370
highly classified than the atomic bomb

608
00:29:59,369 --> 00:29:55,600
so me going to move on I was watching I

609
00:30:01,470 --> 00:29:59,379
was watching a lot of UFO shows and I

610
00:30:03,539 --> 00:30:01,480
was reading everything I could kind of

611
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:03,549
get my hands on and they have been doing

612
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:08,289
that since I was a child actually and we

613
00:30:12,930 --> 00:30:10,360
were watching a hangar one episode about

614
00:30:15,149 --> 00:30:12,940
four and a half years ago my wife and I

615
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,159
and I turned to her and I said you know

616
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:18,360
I could do this I mean I could do this

617
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:21,490
so I went and I looked up I looked up

618
00:30:27,509 --> 00:30:24,570
MUFON you know I went to MUFON comm I

619
00:30:31,529 --> 00:30:27,519
found my state director and and I

620
00:30:33,299 --> 00:30:31,539
friended him on social media and we

621
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:33,309
started talking and and he actually

622
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:35,289
brought it up to me he said I think he

623
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,490
would make a really good field

624
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:39,039
investigator he liked the fact that I

625
00:30:45,419 --> 00:30:41,500
was a musician and that I was a musician

626
00:30:48,779 --> 00:30:45,429
that liked who liked I like to jam you

627
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:48,789
know I to do that you know I'm kind of a

628
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:51,610
jam musician where I'll come up with a

629
00:30:58,289 --> 00:30:55,690
guitar solo after hearing like say the

630
00:30:59,730 --> 00:30:58,299
verse one time through you know you get

631
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,740
the parameters of it and then you

632
00:31:04,350 --> 00:31:02,559
doesn't jump in and you have to be

633
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:04,360
you have to be thinking about what's

634
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:07,529
going on but you also have to be open to

635
00:31:13,139 --> 00:31:11,440
invention and he said I think he would

636
00:31:15,930 --> 00:31:13,149
make a really good field investigator

637
00:31:18,539 --> 00:31:15,940
and and you know I'm chief investigator

638
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:18,549
for MUFON and Southern California now as

639
00:31:25,499 --> 00:31:23,049
well as a star team member and assistant

640
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,509
state director so I guess I sort of

641
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:27,519
climbed up the ranks really quickly and

642
00:31:31,980 --> 00:31:29,950
in all I really did was you know I

643
00:31:34,769 --> 00:31:31,990
closed a whole bunch of cases you know I

644
00:31:37,889 --> 00:31:34,779
guess I'm I'm into the 400s now as far

645
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:37,899
as the cases I've closed Wow

646
00:31:43,769 --> 00:31:41,529
so it just it just kind of opened up

647
00:31:45,989 --> 00:31:43,779
like a flower for me and it's it's it's

648
00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:45,999
one of the it's it's the greatest joy in

649
00:31:52,889 --> 00:31:48,129
my life really it's right there with

650
00:31:55,289 --> 00:31:52,899
with with music I they're really you

651
00:31:58,379 --> 00:31:55,299
know I get as much joy from from closing

652
00:32:03,210 --> 00:31:58,389
a UFO case as I do from from playing a

653
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:03,220
gig you know I just same kind of feeling

654
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:08,559
of accomplishment and well-well

655
00:32:14,369 --> 00:32:12,730
California for one thing is you know in

656
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,379
the United States it's the highest

657
00:32:18,629 --> 00:32:16,480
number of UFO sightings and of course

658
00:32:20,669 --> 00:32:18,639
the population is really high in the

659
00:32:23,340 --> 00:32:20,679
weather is really good so there's a lot

660
00:32:25,889 --> 00:32:23,350
of reasons for that it's also the number

661
00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:25,899
one state that listens to this show you

662
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:27,340
know I have more listeners in California

663
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:30,730
than a second comes New York and but

664
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,279
I've noticed you know that there's

665
00:32:37,769 --> 00:32:35,919
there's a lot going on there so can you

666
00:32:39,989 --> 00:32:37,779
talk about some of the cases that

667
00:32:41,489 --> 00:32:39,999
they're to kind of recent and unknown

668
00:32:44,009 --> 00:32:41,499
and then I want to talk about what you

669
00:32:46,919 --> 00:32:44,019
think is the most compelling case as

670
00:32:48,659 --> 00:32:46,929
well sure oh that's going to be hard too

671
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:48,669
because I have a bunch of compelling

672
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,610
cases well you have to remember that it

673
00:32:59,999 --> 00:32:54,720
just like J Allen Hynek told us that 90

674
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:00,009
to 95 percent of all UFO reports can be

675
00:33:04,590 --> 00:33:02,470
you can figure them out prosaically that

676
00:33:07,950 --> 00:33:04,600
they're usually if you know and I we get

677
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:07,960
a lot of drone sightings I had one

678
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:10,330
gentleman who was seeing the same three

679
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:12,490
UFOs in the sky every single night and

680
00:33:16,169 --> 00:33:15,460
and you know all I had to do is go and

681
00:33:19,529 --> 00:33:16,179
open up a

682
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:19,539
starchart yes Venus and Mars and Jupiter

683
00:33:27,330 --> 00:33:23,279
you know and and you know you've got

684
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:27,340
sometimes I'll actually get intentional

685
00:33:34,590 --> 00:33:31,360
hoaxes I had one one person who put in a

686
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:34,600
case that was too good to be true and I

687
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:37,600
did a little a little investigation on

688
00:33:45,330 --> 00:33:40,860
them on the internet and found a public

689
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:45,340
public resume where it said CGI that

690
00:33:50,970 --> 00:33:49,240
looks realer than life yeah and so I

691
00:33:52,019 --> 00:33:50,980
kind of it was pretty easy to figure

692
00:33:56,249 --> 00:33:52,029
that one out

693
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:56,259
but it's that 5% factor sometimes it's a

694
00:33:59,159 --> 00:33:57,970
little lower than that sometimes it's a

695
00:34:05,070 --> 00:33:59,169
little higher than that

696
00:34:08,250 --> 00:34:05,080
but you know I've closed upwards to 400

697
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:08,260
cases and I have about 35 to 40 cases

698
00:34:15,899 --> 00:34:11,700
that are unknowns in the last four years

699
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:15,909
that and and most of them are kind of

700
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,790
gobsmacking UFOs I mean I have to pull

701
00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:21,280
my my chin up off of the floor sometimes

702
00:34:27,930 --> 00:34:25,899
with with these now do you have some of

703
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:27,940
them with multiple witnesses and you

704
00:34:34,859 --> 00:34:32,740
know yes well we have oh I'll share a

705
00:34:37,169 --> 00:34:34,869
couple of cases with you if you don't

706
00:34:40,770 --> 00:34:37,179
mind it's probably the the best way to

707
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:40,780
do this this was a recent case that we

708
00:34:48,930 --> 00:34:47,109
had if I can get my iPad to work here um

709
00:34:50,129 --> 00:34:48,940
I was given overall you don't have to

710
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:50,139
sure

711
00:34:54,539 --> 00:34:52,569
yeah well I had I had one well we had

712
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,549
one recent case that happened in San

713
00:35:01,020 --> 00:34:58,000
Diego and the the gentleman that saw

714
00:35:02,819 --> 00:35:01,030
this was an aerospace engineer and and

715
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:02,829
he was a veteran of aerospace

716
00:35:10,319 --> 00:35:06,250
engineering he had been in and he'd

717
00:35:12,299 --> 00:35:10,329
worked for Boeing and he worked for he

718
00:35:17,579 --> 00:35:12,309
worked with laser calibration of

719
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:17,589
rolls-royce jet engines and yeah and the

720
00:35:22,980 --> 00:35:19,569
guy was also a bit of a plane spotter

721
00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:22,990
and he knew his drones his blimps from

722
00:35:29,620 --> 00:35:26,920
his UFOs right and he saw this thing

723
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:29,630
that looked like a football

724
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:33,200
it had one tall black fin on the back it

725
00:35:38,110 --> 00:35:35,330
didn't have like a blimp would have you

726
00:35:40,770 --> 00:35:38,120
know sort of like evenly placed fins on

727
00:35:45,130 --> 00:35:40,780
the back but this thing was it stood up

728
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:45,140
you know like like you took like a PI

729
00:35:49,630 --> 00:35:47,090
piece or something you put it on the

730
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:49,640
back of this thing he said that he could

731
00:35:53,050 --> 00:35:51,320
see the planes that were around it and

732
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:53,060
he said that he's very very used to

733
00:35:59,800 --> 00:35:56,690
seeing you know checking distances with

734
00:36:02,260 --> 00:35:59,810
a line-of-sight aircraft and he said

735
00:36:08,890 --> 00:36:02,270
that as far as he could tell this thing

736
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:08,900
was the size of four 737s yeah he saw

737
00:36:14,050 --> 00:36:10,450
this thing he said it was up about

738
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:14,060
35,000 feet and that it suddenly dropped

739
00:36:19,540 --> 00:36:17,690
down to 5,000 feet he said that he

740
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:19,550
watched it it wasn't like it disappeared

741
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:21,650
and reappeared he said it just dropped

742
00:36:28,810 --> 00:36:25,750
and he said that the nose stayed level

743
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,820
that it you know it wasn't a crash you

744
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:31,520
know a plane or or or a blimp or

745
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:35,150
whatever you want in distress it's gonna

746
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:37,040
be all over the place and it's certainly

747
00:36:41,890 --> 00:36:38,870
not going to keep level but this stayed

748
00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:41,900
level and he said then he watched the

749
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:44,990
thing turn as if it was on an axis he

750
00:36:48,850 --> 00:36:46,850
said thou he is watching the back of it

751
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:48,860
you could still see this line in the

752
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:52,130
back of this one black you know fin and

753
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,130
then it just like nobody's business just

754
00:37:02,500 --> 00:36:58,480
slowly moved towards the Baja Peninsula

755
00:37:05,830 --> 00:37:02,510
now this was a really good witness I did

756
00:37:09,370 --> 00:37:05,840
see his his work badges there was

757
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:09,380
Providence behind it the guy knew what

758
00:37:15,580 --> 00:37:12,050
he was talking about when we talked

759
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:15,590
about he was getting emotional and he

760
00:37:19,720 --> 00:37:17,300
said well I don't really get emotional

761
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:19,730
about aircraft it's what I do but this I

762
00:37:23,830 --> 00:37:21,770
can't explain and and his whole attitude

763
00:37:27,340 --> 00:37:23,840
was he said I want you to tell me what

764
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:27,350
this was I saw you know I don't really

765
00:37:33,250 --> 00:37:31,490
believe in UFOs what did I see well yeah

766
00:37:36,010 --> 00:37:33,260
we looked I looked at you know

767
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:36,020
illuminated blimps in the area you know

768
00:37:39,790 --> 00:37:38,330
there were the Goodyear blimp wasn't out

769
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:39,800
there and he said well it didn't look

770
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:41,720
like I know if I know what a blimp looks

771
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,500
like this this wasn't that it was

772
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:46,440
you know it was bright very bright with

773
00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:49,650
this one black stain on the back I after

774
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:52,190
I I kept this case open a little over

775
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:55,500
and and finally I had to tell him I said

776
00:38:00,800 --> 00:37:57,359
I don't know what to tell you I tried to

777
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:00,810
debunk it as something prosaic and known

778
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:03,480
and there's there's no known object that

779
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:06,290
goes from 35,000 feet to 5,000 feet

780
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:10,260
turns on its axis and then just slowly

781
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:12,510
flies off into the sunset there's no

782
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:16,560
such thing and so you you saw UFO it's

783
00:38:28,730 --> 00:38:24,620
that's that it was actually featured on

784
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:28,740
the on San Diego Channel 8 News they had

785
00:38:35,300 --> 00:38:32,160
Johar's an our executive director from

786
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:35,310
MUFON on on the news report he he

787
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:37,890
actually shared shared the story on the

788
00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:40,650
news channel but that was a new one that

789
00:38:48,370 --> 00:38:42,270
that's that's one of the more recent

790
00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:48,380
ones before you move on from that one

791
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:52,500
there was a I believe there was a

792
00:39:00,760 --> 00:38:55,740
nineteen and I may be totally off on

793
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:00,770
this but in 1978 UFO sighting in

794
00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:04,410
canadian royal mounted policeman saw an

795
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,740
object that i believe had a tail like

796
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:09,599
that just what you're you're explaining

797
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:12,630
I'm almost positive I'm recalling that

798
00:39:18,050 --> 00:39:14,790
there was some type of tail like a fin

799
00:39:19,609 --> 00:39:18,060
on the back of it and very similar so

800
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:19,619
I'm going to check into that later but

801
00:39:23,900 --> 00:39:22,410
that I find that really I love when

802
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:23,910
there's two accounts that there's

803
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,040
something similar and there's an arc

804
00:39:32,780 --> 00:39:29,040
heart and you know credible Bruce

805
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:32,790
Maccabee actually contacted me and and

806
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:39,330
showed me in his FBI and UFOs book that

807
00:39:45,620 --> 00:39:41,849
he published there is one blue butt case

808
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,630
back from 1948 that was very similar and

809
00:39:50,540 --> 00:39:48,480
looked very similar and this was a multi

810
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:50,550
witness sighting and and they had

811
00:39:56,839 --> 00:39:54,390
binoculars and it was one of the Blue

812
00:39:58,940 --> 00:39:56,849
Book cases that they couldn't explain

813
00:40:03,680 --> 00:39:58,950
and it had a tall tail fin on it as well

814
00:40:06,049 --> 00:40:03,690
so it's a thing apparently yeah that is

815
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:06,059
a for them to have a tail on it is kind

816
00:40:10,130 --> 00:40:08,640
of bizarre if they you know wherever

817
00:40:13,460 --> 00:40:10,140
they're traveling from why they would

818
00:40:16,579 --> 00:40:13,470
need one yeah that is that's a good one

819
00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:16,589
so how does the how did this end this is

820
00:40:21,460 --> 00:40:19,380
just as one of the close cases of an

821
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:21,470
unknown is that basically what happens

822
00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:24,599
it's closed as an unknown I've certainly

823
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:27,660
been pushing it out there it's been in

824
00:40:34,729 --> 00:40:32,400
the news and I know that MUFON our our

825
00:40:37,479 --> 00:40:34,739
website that that was the featured case

826
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:37,489
that you know if you go to MUFON comm

827
00:40:41,660 --> 00:40:39,930
for a couple of weeks that was the main

828
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:41,670
case that you would see they kind of had

829
00:40:45,529 --> 00:40:43,170
the report up there where everybody

830
00:40:48,130 --> 00:40:45,539
could see it and it's one of the but you

831
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:48,140
know it's one of the the UFOs that that

832
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:52,410
that a recent and contemporary that it

833
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:54,450
means a lot to me I can't explain it

834
00:41:01,459 --> 00:40:58,410
it's a very strange one and you know

835
00:41:04,729 --> 00:41:01,469
when when I write my book I am actually

836
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:04,739
writing one that I'm sure that case will

837
00:41:10,069 --> 00:41:07,650
will be in there you know along with the

838
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:10,079
rest of the cases that I've closed as

839
00:41:14,569 --> 00:41:12,569
unknowns there are some cases that I

840
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,579
haven't been able to close as unknowns

841
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:16,380
that that I still think are really

842
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,650
really good and and when that happens

843
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:21,359
you know if you don't have quite enough

844
00:41:27,799 --> 00:41:23,369
evidence or you don't have a second

845
00:41:29,900 --> 00:41:27,809
witness or I'll usually close that is

846
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:29,910
insufficient data and which kind of

847
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:32,609
keeps it open and that way I can keep on

848
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:35,729
gathering stuff you know cuz I'll add to

849
00:41:42,229 --> 00:41:39,599
my cases as time goes on you know

850
00:41:47,059 --> 00:41:42,239
especially with experiencer cases I mean

851
00:41:50,269 --> 00:41:47,069
there's always more visits that happen

852
00:41:52,459 --> 00:41:50,279
so sometimes you'll get you'll get the

853
00:41:55,969 --> 00:41:52,469
evidence that you really want for a case

854
00:42:01,339 --> 00:41:55,979
a few years in so that that's one way

855
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:01,349
that I handle my cases but you know most

856
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:02,729
of the cases again they're usually

857
00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:04,049
drones or

858
00:42:09,739 --> 00:42:07,140
mylar balloons you know there's all

859
00:42:10,830 --> 00:42:09,749
kinds of stuff that people mistake for

860
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:10,840
UFO

861
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:13,570
and it could be a kind of a drag talking

862
00:42:17,130 --> 00:42:15,370
to the people that have seen something

863
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:17,140
when you know and I've gotten to the

864
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:19,210
point now where I'll open up the video

865
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,830
and right away I kind of know what I'm

866
00:42:27,090 --> 00:42:23,680
looking at you know that's a galaxy a

867
00:42:28,830 --> 00:42:27,100
galaxy smartphone you know lens flare

868
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:28,840
you know you'll get like this little

869
00:42:33,780 --> 00:42:30,640
blue ball with the yellow lights around

870
00:42:35,730 --> 00:42:33,790
us it looks technological well it is

871
00:42:38,340 --> 00:42:35,740
technological but it's from inside of

872
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,350
your phone you know yeah that's why I

873
00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:40,140
didn't see it with your eyes

874
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:44,560
right right well so when when you're

875
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:47,530
when you're dealing with with the people

876
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:50,320
you mentioned earlier that one of them

877
00:42:55,710 --> 00:42:52,780
was a hoax can you or some of them were

878
00:42:58,170 --> 00:42:55,720
can you explain what the hoax is were

879
00:43:02,160 --> 00:42:58,180
that you basically figured out we're

880
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:02,170
hoaxes oh well you know we don't like it

881
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:04,150
when we get those but you know it's it's

882
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:08,770
a part of this and and you know even you

883
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:13,030
know dr. Hynek himself you know it IIIi

884
00:43:16,980 --> 00:43:15,070
was listening to your ears show with a

885
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,990
high-neck brothers I've met miles of

886
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:18,880
good and I've met both of them actually

887
00:43:23,850 --> 00:43:22,000
but but I've kind of kept in touch with

888
00:43:27,870 --> 00:43:23,860
Paul a little bit and I guess that their

889
00:43:30,030 --> 00:43:27,880
dad sort of he loved the hoaxes at first

890
00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:30,040
and he loved trying to figure out what

891
00:43:37,770 --> 00:43:32,350
the you know what what people were

892
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:37,780
mistaken for flying saucers and and you

893
00:43:42,570 --> 00:43:39,940
know it just it's a part of what you do

894
00:43:45,660 --> 00:43:42,580
if you're a serious field investigator

895
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:45,670
of a serious UFO investigator you're

896
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:47,260
going to try to debunk your own cases

897
00:43:52,050 --> 00:43:49,090
you're going to look at your case from

898
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:52,060
every single side because if you don't

899
00:43:58,640 --> 00:43:54,730
do it somebody's gonna do it for exactly

900
00:44:02,340 --> 00:43:58,650
oh yeah so you want to do it yourself

901
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:02,350
now my my state director my dear friend

902
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:04,750
Jeff Crouse he does tend to overload my

903
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:06,850
caseload but I want that you know

904
00:44:11,220 --> 00:44:08,650
because I know I'm gonna have to go

905
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:11,230
through like you know 30 cases before I

906
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:13,450
find something interesting so I want all

907
00:44:17,070 --> 00:44:14,290
the balloons

908
00:44:19,050 --> 00:44:17,080
I want the drones because somewhere in

909
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:19,060
there I want to find something with with

910
00:44:24,330 --> 00:44:22,450
you know multiple witnesses or a real

911
00:44:26,780 --> 00:44:24,340
you know a scientists or

912
00:44:30,270 --> 00:44:26,790
pilot or policeman that saw something

913
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,280
that I can't explain and and and that

914
00:44:35,850 --> 00:44:33,520
kind of makes my day do you think that

915
00:44:38,070 --> 00:44:35,860
oh pardon me do you think that when you

916
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:38,080
tell someone Hey look I can tell you

917
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:40,810
right now this is a lens flare or this

918
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:41,620
is a balloon

919
00:44:47,790 --> 00:44:44,890
do you often times get a sense of relief

920
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,800
or do you get people you know that feel

921
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:51,040
like they want to argue the point both

922
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:55,840
you know yeah yeah and sometimes you

923
00:45:00,510 --> 00:44:57,610
know I mean if somebody really wants to

924
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:00,520
argue the point I mean I try to be sweet

925
00:45:04,500 --> 00:45:02,170
about it I'm not going to sit there and

926
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:04,510
make their UFO go away you know it's

927
00:45:12,990 --> 00:45:08,110
like I have this wasn't even a case is a

928
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:13,000
sushi chef friend of mine yeah I order

929
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:14,710
sushi from and he and his daughter were

930
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:16,990
out and she was on his shoulders and she

931
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:18,880
points up and says what's that dad and

932
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:22,480
he took the iPhone video and it was it

933
00:45:27,420 --> 00:45:25,090
was a mylar balloon it really was it was

934
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:27,430
a mylar balloon it would spin around and

935
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:29,380
you get the flash from the Sun you know

936
00:45:35,340 --> 00:45:33,280
it wasn't a blinking light but this was

937
00:45:39,060 --> 00:45:35,350
a special moment between he and his

938
00:45:41,610 --> 00:45:39,070
daughter and I wasn't going to sit there

939
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:41,620
and tell him that it was you know oh you

940
00:45:46,110 --> 00:45:43,810
didn't see anything you saw you know a

941
00:45:49,350 --> 00:45:46,120
balloon and forget about it

942
00:45:51,180 --> 00:45:49,360
it wasn't even a case anyway but I try

943
00:45:54,540 --> 00:45:51,190
to be nice I I don't try to you know

944
00:45:59,370 --> 00:45:54,550
bash people you know with with with

945
00:46:03,150 --> 00:45:59,380
reality you know now if somebody is

946
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:03,160
trying to if they have a movie deal or

947
00:46:09,870 --> 00:46:06,370
they're gonna have a TV show about UFOs

948
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:09,880
or something or if it's a computer cgi

949
00:46:17,460 --> 00:46:12,850
hoax where they obviously we're hoping

950
00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:17,470
to to make us look foolish or to make

951
00:46:24,510 --> 00:46:21,340
the whole the phenomena look foolish I'm

952
00:46:28,500 --> 00:46:24,520
going to go after that a little a little

953
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:28,510
heavier you know it depends on what

954
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:30,580
we're talking about but some guy with

955
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:32,650
his daughter on his shoulders that sees

956
00:46:38,130 --> 00:46:35,680
a mylar balloon I'll pretty much leave

957
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:38,140
of that well you know I think that might

958
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:38,440
be a

959
00:46:42,540 --> 00:46:40,329
balloon but I don't know I mean you know

960
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:42,550
you that that might have been a UFO and

961
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:44,740
I'll kind of try to let them keep their

962
00:46:48,809 --> 00:46:46,960
their sense of wonder you know next time

963
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:48,819
they might actually see a real one you

964
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:50,710
know right you don't want them to stop

965
00:46:55,319 --> 00:46:53,410
looking you know going back to I

966
00:46:58,650 --> 00:46:55,329
mentioned earlier so I was just looking

967
00:47:01,950 --> 00:46:58,660
while you were speaking here I mentioned

968
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:01,960
the the football-shaped you know UFO

969
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:04,990
with a with a fin on the back and I just

970
00:47:11,130 --> 00:47:08,920
found this so this was 1978 clarin ville

971
00:47:13,260 --> 00:47:11,140
this was Canada and it was a Royal

972
00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:13,270
Canadian mountain mountain police

973
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:16,329
officer named Jim Blackwood so anyone

974
00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:18,910
can check that out if you if you googled

975
00:47:23,190 --> 00:47:21,369
that you'll see that that object was

976
00:47:24,780 --> 00:47:23,200
actually football-shaped with a fin on

977
00:47:27,329 --> 00:47:24,790
the back like what you took you're

978
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,339
talking about so that I love that stuff

979
00:47:31,859 --> 00:47:29,440
when they're when they connect a similar

980
00:47:33,870 --> 00:47:31,869
object oh yeah well I always look for

981
00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:33,880
that you know I had another recent case

982
00:47:42,300 --> 00:47:38,040
where this one I really loved actually

983
00:47:43,980 --> 00:47:42,310
I've had a lot of good ones lately you

984
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:43,990
know I've had a lot of aerospace people

985
00:47:55,460 --> 00:47:48,970
coming forward and and I had there was

986
00:48:03,569 --> 00:48:00,900
where well anyhow there there were three

987
00:48:06,450 --> 00:48:03,579
guys that were out fishing they were on

988
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:06,460
a fishing trip they were out out in your

989
00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:10,210
Sequoia National Park area near where

990
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:14,380
L'Amour Air Force Base is and it was

991
00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:15,790
about 2:00 in the morning they had been

992
00:48:20,309 --> 00:48:18,310
drinking some beer early in the evening

993
00:48:22,859 --> 00:48:20,319
but now they were done drinking beer had

994
00:48:24,750 --> 00:48:22,869
been many hours you know hence you know

995
00:48:26,700 --> 00:48:24,760
cuz I did ask him about that he said no

996
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:26,710
he weren't drunk you know we we hadn't

997
00:48:30,839 --> 00:48:28,569
been drinking in about six hours at this

998
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:30,849
point but they're just kind of driving

999
00:48:37,140 --> 00:48:32,050
around they were looking for an

1000
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:37,150
impromptu campsite and they were hovered

1001
00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:39,270
they were hovered over by this strange

1002
00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:43,270
strange object it started as a pinpoint

1003
00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:45,540
of light and it kept on getting closer

1004
00:48:49,890 --> 00:48:47,740
they turned off their car they're

1005
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,900
sitting in there the guy was smoking a

1006
00:48:52,380 --> 00:48:51,520
cigarette he put his cigarette out he

1007
00:48:54,900 --> 00:48:52,390
was looking out the way

1008
00:48:57,809 --> 00:48:54,910
though and the way they describe this

1009
00:49:03,690 --> 00:48:57,819
was was it looked like a pie wedge it

1010
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:03,700
was black pitch black flat black just I

1011
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:05,650
believe there was only one external

1012
00:49:13,410 --> 00:49:08,920
light and that was a middle would flash

1013
00:49:15,089 --> 00:49:13,420
on and flash off this thing kept on

1014
00:49:20,599 --> 00:49:15,099
getting closer to them and they were

1015
00:49:24,990 --> 00:49:20,609
sort of secret adopt to the side near a

1016
00:49:29,549 --> 00:49:25,000
near the side of a cliff and he felt

1017
00:49:32,430 --> 00:49:29,559
like perhaps they had been observed but

1018
00:49:35,009 --> 00:49:32,440
this thing was hanging really close to

1019
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:35,019
them and it got a little closer to them

1020
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:37,690
and a little closer and he said it was

1021
00:49:42,779 --> 00:49:39,970
about the size of a school bus it was pi

1022
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:42,789
wedge-shaped and the strange thing about

1023
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:44,650
it is is that it was traveling

1024
00:49:52,259 --> 00:49:48,490
blunt-edged forward and the little tip

1025
00:49:56,430 --> 00:49:52,269
of the PI piece was in the back so I've

1026
00:50:00,299 --> 00:49:56,440
heard before - no no no aerodynamics and

1027
00:50:01,710 --> 00:50:00,309
involved here I don't know if there's

1028
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:01,720
more to finish up on that particular

1029
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,200
case it's a time for us to take another

1030
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:07,839
break here so this is mark are you there

1031
00:50:12,509 --> 00:50:09,880
sir listen my guest

1032
00:50:14,339 --> 00:50:12,519
Mardon has dropped out I'll just

1033
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:14,349
continue with my story because I think

1034
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:16,569
I'm still on the air here and you know

1035
00:50:21,690 --> 00:50:20,049
the guys were feeling scared and the car

1036
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:21,700
was off and they were hiding in their

1037
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:24,329
car they were hiding under the seats

1038
00:50:33,150 --> 00:50:29,650
they felt the hair go up on their arms

1039
00:50:36,990 --> 00:50:33,160
as they were watching this thing they

1040
00:50:42,089 --> 00:50:37,000
could hear a like a hum when it got

1041
00:50:45,890 --> 00:50:42,099
closer to them and anyhow this thing

1042
00:50:50,220 --> 00:50:45,900
hunted over them for about 5-10 minutes

1043
00:50:53,460 --> 00:50:50,230
when it took off it left a like a 45

1044
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:53,470
degree angle and they were close enough

1045
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,650
to it that they could see as it left it

1046
00:51:00,930 --> 00:50:59,440
had a tracer image of itself that it

1047
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:00,940
left in its wake

1048
00:51:06,850 --> 00:51:03,250
sort of like the bioluminescence that

1049
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:06,860
you'll see behind a ship and I've had a

1050
00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:12,350
cases that the same property of a UFO

1051
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:16,700
leaving had the same the same effect to

1052
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:18,590
where you would see the trace or image

1053
00:51:24,910 --> 00:51:22,250
of it and and I thought that was really

1054
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:24,920
really interesting Wow Mardon are you

1055
00:51:31,570 --> 00:51:27,890
there yeah I think you're I'm just got

1056
00:51:35,500 --> 00:51:31,580
your microphone muted you cannot hear me

1057
00:51:37,330 --> 00:51:35,510
hang on hang on just one moment I think

1058
00:51:37,660 --> 00:51:37,340
we're still on the air can you guys hear

1059
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:37,670
me

1060
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:43,640
you now I have no idea how I no one has

1061
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:45,200
touched the Skype screen and how it

1062
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:48,110
muted itself that's a it must be the

1063
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:50,060
government anyway we are late for a

1064
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:52,280
break so we're going to take a break now

1065
00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:54,770
hang in everyone my guess is Earl Grey

1066
00:52:03,480 --> 00:51:56,270
and we'll be right back right after

1067
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:07,140
all right welcome back to the show I'm

1068
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:09,040
Martin will usher host and my guest is

1069
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:11,310
Earl Grey from Southern California and

1070
00:52:18,510 --> 00:52:16,090
we at the end of the last segment there

1071
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:18,520
you were pretty much wrapped up that of

1072
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:22,330
that sighting didn't you the pie the pie

1073
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:24,970
shaped thing and all that day yeah that

1074
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:26,440
was one of mine that was that was

1075
00:52:31,590 --> 00:52:29,290
classified as an unknown aerial vehicle

1076
00:52:34,050 --> 00:52:31,600
you know that was there's nothing else

1077
00:52:37,950 --> 00:52:34,060
that looks like a pie that does that

1078
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:37,960
yeah and it scared the guys I mean they

1079
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:39,250
were scared that they were going to be

1080
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:40,930
abducted or something so they were

1081
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:44,280
hiding behind the seats and you know I

1082
00:52:49,770 --> 00:52:47,200
but what really struck me now you know

1083
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:49,780
it's like when we look at any when we

1084
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,210
get a UFO case you know you want

1085
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:54,400
multiple witnesses you want to have some

1086
00:52:59,220 --> 00:52:55,930
kind of evidence or some kind of

1087
00:53:00,990 --> 00:52:59,230
corroborating factor where you can if

1088
00:53:03,630 --> 00:53:01,000
you're gonna give it an unknown you

1089
00:53:05,940 --> 00:53:03,640
that'll allow that unknown to stand

1090
00:53:09,090 --> 00:53:05,950
until you know unless somebody else can

1091
00:53:13,350 --> 00:53:09,100
disprove it and with that particular

1092
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:13,360
case what really struck me was that when

1093
00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:16,030
it left it was hanging directly over

1094
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:19,150
their car and it took off at an angle

1095
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:23,400
and they could see a tracer image of

1096
00:53:30,450 --> 00:53:28,240
this thing the the pie wedge shape that

1097
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:30,460
kept on going into the distance and a

1098
00:53:35,610 --> 00:53:33,250
ton there and in the in the sky sort of

1099
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:35,620
the way that you'll see bioluminescence

1100
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:39,300
go behind in the wake of a ship and

1101
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:42,160
immediately I it brought to mind another

1102
00:53:49,770 --> 00:53:46,210
case that I had where it was a historic

1103
00:53:53,220 --> 00:53:49,780
sighting from 1965 by this gentleman

1104
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:53,230
that had sat on his story for years but

1105
00:53:59,010 --> 00:53:55,750
it had happened in Venice California and

1106
00:54:01,650 --> 00:53:59,020
I was I was a kid living in Venice when

1107
00:54:03,540 --> 00:54:01,660
this guy had the sighting just like a

1108
00:54:06,810 --> 00:54:03,550
couple of blocks away which I thought

1109
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:06,820
was really really interesting you know I

1110
00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:09,490
was a child and he was a teenager but he

1111
00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:10,990
was with a friend and they had been at a

1112
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:13,360
dance at the Mormon Church the guy was a

1113
00:54:16,980 --> 00:54:16,090
Mormon and it was at the at the Mormon

1114
00:54:20,609 --> 00:54:16,990
Church right

1115
00:54:23,460 --> 00:54:20,619
for a dance hoping to meet a pretty girl

1116
00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:23,470
and instead they wound up hanging out

1117
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:26,260
afterwards and he and his friend saw it

1118
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:30,820
saw a UFO and it was the same kind of a

1119
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:32,770
situation where their car was parked

1120
00:54:41,010 --> 00:54:36,900
there the UFO is hovering and it left

1121
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,020
again at an angle from directly over him

1122
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:43,599
off into the distance and he talked

1123
00:54:49,650 --> 00:54:47,290
about the exact same phenomenon where

1124
00:54:51,450 --> 00:54:49,660
there was a tracer image of this thing

1125
00:54:55,710 --> 00:54:51,460
where you know when it took off you

1126
00:54:57,780 --> 00:54:55,720
could see it but repeated in and it kept

1127
00:55:01,530 --> 00:54:57,790
on getting smaller into the vanishing

1128
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:01,540
point and and I've heard that same I've

1129
00:55:06,930 --> 00:55:03,910
heard it expressed exactly the same in a

1130
00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:06,940
couple of other cases as well so in that

1131
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,510
case I was able to go back and find that

1132
00:55:16,230 --> 00:55:13,440
earlier you know computer management

1133
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:16,240
system case that I'd gotten through

1134
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:18,250
through MUFON I went back in the files

1135
00:55:25,620 --> 00:55:22,480
and I was able to to reiterate his

1136
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:25,630
sighting and corroborate this more

1137
00:55:29,339 --> 00:55:28,690
recent sighting because of that same

1138
00:55:34,260 --> 00:55:29,349
effect

1139
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:34,270
and and personally you know that's the

1140
00:55:39,690 --> 00:55:36,930
kind of thing that I'm looking for in my

1141
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:39,700
investigations and my adventures you

1142
00:55:46,349 --> 00:55:42,700
know with with this most most

1143
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:46,359
extraordinary phenomenon is those

1144
00:55:54,690 --> 00:55:51,040
repeated patterns now you've probably

1145
00:55:57,420 --> 00:55:54,700
been over they I'm sure MUFON has been

1146
00:55:59,940 --> 00:55:57,430
contacted a lot from failed missile

1147
00:56:02,430 --> 00:55:59,950
launches or just plain missile launches

1148
00:56:04,349 --> 00:56:02,440
so rocket launches things like that

1149
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:04,359
probably a lot of them well right our

1150
00:56:12,089 --> 00:56:08,140
our good friend Elon Musk base X you

1151
00:56:14,130 --> 00:56:12,099
know we yeah we uh if there is a SpaceX

1152
00:56:18,109 --> 00:56:14,140
launch from Vandenberg I know I'm gonna

1153
00:56:22,410 --> 00:56:18,119
get about ten new cases you know yeah

1154
00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:22,420
yeah okay well that's that's interesting

1155
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:27,099
so what about some cases are there any

1156
00:56:33,450 --> 00:56:30,250
ones that come to mind that

1157
00:56:35,370 --> 00:56:33,460
involve electronics failing and vehicles

1158
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:35,380
things like that that any of any of

1159
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:38,590
those cases happen there mmm well sure

1160
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:44,920
that's definitely a thing you know I

1161
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:47,920
mean I had a recent case where it could

1162
00:56:55,740 --> 00:56:51,490
have caused that but the guys that were

1163
00:56:57,660 --> 00:56:55,750
that that that were the witnesses they

1164
00:57:00,030 --> 00:56:57,670
they well he had seen Close Encounters

1165
00:57:02,730 --> 00:57:00,040
of the Third Kind so they turned their

1166
00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:02,740
car off you know which was probably a

1167
00:57:10,050 --> 00:57:06,190
smart thing because as a lot of us know

1168
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:10,060
you know UFOs can cause an EMP and it

1169
00:57:16,020 --> 00:57:12,310
can it can stop your engine that can

1170
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:16,030
even mess your engine up so I'm trying

1171
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:18,130
to think if I've had any any cases where

1172
00:57:22,620 --> 00:57:20,050
I mean I've had plenty of cases where

1173
00:57:24,900 --> 00:57:22,630
okay I've got one well III just thought

1174
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:24,910
of one there there was one sighting that

1175
00:57:31,650 --> 00:57:27,160
was over Hollywood California this was

1176
00:57:34,620 --> 00:57:31,660
about a year and a half ago and and it

1177
00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:34,630
was a flying saucer these guys were

1178
00:57:42,330 --> 00:57:40,060
watching this thing and and and the guy

1179
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:42,340
went for his iPhone both he and his

1180
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:44,230
girlfriend they said that their iPhones

1181
00:57:50,820 --> 00:57:48,160
were charged and I talked with them they

1182
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:50,830
pull the iPhones out and there was there

1183
00:57:54,990 --> 00:57:54,640
was zero zero charge and you hear that a

1184
00:57:57,540 --> 00:57:55,000
lot

1185
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:57,550
there's there's I think that if you're

1186
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:00,400
close if you're close enough to a UFO if

1187
00:58:05,580 --> 00:58:03,130
you think of taking a photograph or a

1188
00:58:08,820 --> 00:58:05,590
video and and oftentimes people don't

1189
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:08,830
yeah you know I mean I've seen it and

1190
00:58:13,020 --> 00:58:10,810
I've had an anomalous sighting before

1191
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,030
the last thing that came to my mind was

1192
00:58:17,790 --> 00:58:15,760
going for my iPhone and I don't know if

1193
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:17,800
it's some psychological effect that our

1194
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:22,320
visitors are you know putting upon us

1195
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:25,510
but but that's a thing people just

1196
00:58:30,660 --> 00:58:27,010
forget that there's such a thing as a

1197
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:30,670
photograph or a video so I think that

1198
00:58:36,450 --> 00:58:33,370
and I've thought about that a lot Martin

1199
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:36,460
I've wondered about it and I thought it

1200
00:58:41,130 --> 00:58:38,650
was a problem at one time and now I I

1201
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:41,140
don't think it's such a problem I think

1202
00:58:48,010 --> 00:58:44,240
that our visitors are well aware

1203
00:58:51,700 --> 00:58:48,020
that there hold on one second I just

1204
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:51,710
kicked my kick my earphone microphone

1205
00:58:56,109 --> 00:58:54,319
out there yeah I did I think that our I

1206
00:58:57,579 --> 00:58:56,119
I've gotten to the point where I don't

1207
00:59:00,099 --> 00:58:57,589
think there's really such a thing as a

1208
00:59:03,069 --> 00:59:00,109
random sighting I think that that that

1209
00:59:06,460 --> 00:59:03,079
we're being shown stuff I think that

1210
00:59:08,349 --> 00:59:06,470
it's for a for our benefit I think that

1211
00:59:10,420 --> 00:59:08,359
it's intentional that they're being seen

1212
00:59:13,420 --> 00:59:10,430
otherwise they might not cloak all the

1213
00:59:16,900 --> 00:59:13,430
time I have so many UFO sightings where

1214
00:59:18,700 --> 00:59:16,910
it goes in and out you know blinks into

1215
00:59:22,020 --> 00:59:18,710
existence right and then it's almost

1216
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:22,030
like a cloaking field comes back in I

1217
00:59:27,809 --> 00:59:24,890
think that it's an intentional thing

1218
00:59:30,870 --> 00:59:27,819
that they're they're just like slowly

1219
00:59:33,730 --> 00:59:30,880
they want us to know that they're there

1220
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:33,740
there was famous UFO sighting it was

1221
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:37,640
called the Eagle River UFO where this

1222
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:40,880
guy saw a flying saucer it came down and

1223
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:43,730
these guys had more or less an et

1224
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:46,730
hibachi in there right they asked him to

1225
00:59:52,359 --> 00:59:49,250
go get them some pure water they wanted

1226
00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:52,369
pure water right so he went he got some

1227
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:53,750
water from the well he brought it back

1228
00:59:58,420 --> 00:59:56,630
and they proceeded to cook him buckwheat

1229
01:00:02,859 --> 00:59:58,430
pancakes and there you have that one

1230
01:00:05,230 --> 01:00:02,869
yeah I remember that one it's so far out

1231
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:05,240
there that it's almost it's almost has

1232
01:00:12,700 --> 01:00:09,230
to be believable but they there was a

1233
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:12,710
quote from the entity the entity said we

1234
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:15,140
want you to believe in us but not that

1235
01:00:22,329 --> 01:00:20,210
much and they took off and I sort of

1236
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:22,339
think you know I keep on returning to

1237
01:00:27,609 --> 01:00:24,530
that and I I'd mention that story a lot

1238
01:00:30,309 --> 01:00:27,619
because I I see something there that I

1239
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:30,319
think that you know they want this to be

1240
01:00:36,099 --> 01:00:32,569
seeping into our culture seeping into

1241
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:36,109
our lives that we aren't alone and maybe

1242
01:00:41,170 --> 01:00:38,089
that's why people didn't really react to

1243
01:00:42,819 --> 01:00:41,180
the to the tick-tack UFO story with so

1244
01:00:44,589 --> 01:00:42,829
much when it came up in the New York

1245
01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:44,599
Times you know people have just sort of

1246
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:47,030
been inundated with this and they kind

1247
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:48,470
of take it for granted now it's like

1248
01:00:52,089 --> 01:00:50,210
well so what yeah sure we know this is

1249
01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:52,099
real you know yeah

1250
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:54,740
seventy I think seventy percent of the

1251
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:57,200
people out there now pretty much believe

1252
01:00:59,680 --> 01:00:57,560
that the

1253
01:01:03,220 --> 01:00:59,690
phenomenon is at least there's something

1254
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:03,230
to it you know and maybe this is kind of

1255
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:06,650
what they've worked towards you know for

1256
01:01:11,590 --> 01:01:08,720
however many years of the many many many

1257
01:01:13,690 --> 01:01:11,600
years that people have had anomalous

1258
01:01:15,490 --> 01:01:13,700
sightings that they want us to believe

1259
01:01:18,190 --> 01:01:15,500
in them but not that much

1260
01:01:21,580 --> 01:01:18,200
Wow I suppose I think it's interesting

1261
01:01:24,130 --> 01:01:21,590
and it also brings up the point were why

1262
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:24,140
would they have lights you know maybe

1263
01:01:33,250 --> 01:01:26,690
they have lights because they want us to

1264
01:01:35,380 --> 01:01:33,260
see them as well and you know duh and

1265
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:35,390
you know it's funny that I mentioned at

1266
01:01:41,110 --> 01:01:37,660
the very beginning of the show of the

1267
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:41,120
dinner guests that I spoke with last

1268
01:01:46,210 --> 01:01:43,370
night mentioned you know her three

1269
01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:46,220
encounters and and two of them did just

1270
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:47,840
what you're saying they vanished plus

1271
01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:50,180
she's shot up and blank they were gone

1272
01:01:56,350 --> 01:01:50,900
just like that

1273
01:01:59,020 --> 01:01:56,360
and that is also pretty bizarre almost

1274
01:02:00,970 --> 01:01:59,030
makes you wonder you know what that's

1275
01:02:03,340 --> 01:02:00,980
about if it's cloaking or another

1276
01:02:08,020 --> 01:02:03,350
dimension or what the heck it's it's

1277
01:02:10,330 --> 01:02:08,030
it's all about fascinating though it's

1278
01:02:14,670 --> 01:02:10,340
hi it's it's you know it's like arthur c

1279
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:14,680
clarke said that any any you know

1280
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:17,570
significantly advanced technology is

1281
01:02:22,060 --> 01:02:20,720
indistinguishable from magic and and i

1282
01:02:24,490 --> 01:02:22,070
think that that's kind of what we're

1283
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:24,500
we're dealing with that that it's that

1284
01:02:32,770 --> 01:02:30,290
they're not gods but but you know if you

1285
01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:32,780
had taken somebody from 300 years ago

1286
01:02:36,700 --> 01:02:35,090
and doesn't see you know and put them

1287
01:02:38,890 --> 01:02:36,710
into our culture and showed them an

1288
01:02:41,830 --> 01:02:38,900
iphone he would be baffled he would

1289
01:02:45,310 --> 01:02:41,840
think of these you know i mean it's the

1290
01:02:47,500 --> 01:02:45,320
same thing with us so and that's a

1291
01:02:50,290 --> 01:02:47,510
that's just a short-time in the scope of

1292
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,300
things for such a giant leap of

1293
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:52,880
technology and you just came and imagine

1294
01:02:59,260 --> 01:02:55,310
what that's like if you add a million

1295
01:03:02,530 --> 01:02:59,270
years to what we are now and then again

1296
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:02,540
it's always whether we can make it

1297
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:04,910
through without blowing ourselves up you

1298
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:08,540
know and keep going well I certainly

1299
01:03:14,140 --> 01:03:10,880
hope you get

1300
01:03:15,730 --> 01:03:14,150
I mean you know III also I mean I think

1301
01:03:17,890 --> 01:03:15,740
it's possible that some of the things

1302
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:17,900
that people are seeing or maybe even us

1303
01:03:21,970 --> 01:03:19,850
from the future I don't think that it's

1304
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:21,980
just one thing that that's happening on

1305
01:03:27,570 --> 01:03:25,010
earth yeah um it's a lot of speculation

1306
01:03:31,210 --> 01:03:27,580
about that you go back to the the old

1307
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:31,220
you know late 1800s airship sightings

1308
01:03:37,150 --> 01:03:34,310
and and or he could go back to Ezekiel

1309
01:03:40,570 --> 01:03:37,160
squeal and in the Bible you know yeah

1310
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:40,580
wheel with a wheel yeah yeah yeah

1311
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:44,210
you know Sanskrit I mean in the in the

1312
01:03:51,100 --> 01:03:47,020
India I mean there's there's a lot of a

1313
01:03:53,380 --> 01:03:51,110
lot of Sanskrit writings from from 5,000

1314
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:53,390
years ago even that that sounds very

1315
01:03:57,970 --> 01:03:54,770
very compelling

1316
01:04:01,120 --> 01:03:57,980
right right so let's talk about some of

1317
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:01,130
the other intriguing cases that you've

1318
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:04,970
been working on or or have closed

1319
01:04:10,690 --> 01:04:08,090
already you know one well we I had one

1320
01:04:13,300 --> 01:04:10,700
that that's a really interesting one it

1321
01:04:18,100 --> 01:04:13,310
was actually we you know MUFON puts out

1322
01:04:20,350 --> 01:04:18,110
this UFO cases of interest book and this

1323
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:20,360
one was was in that book it had happened

1324
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,210
out in a Sousa California which is a few

1325
01:04:31,410 --> 01:04:25,520
miles from where I live here about I

1326
01:04:34,390 --> 01:04:31,420
have 30 miles away and two women saw

1327
01:04:36,610 --> 01:04:34,400
this this strange light that was

1328
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:36,620
hovering over the mountain range and it

1329
01:04:41,140 --> 01:04:39,050
was doing what what they call the

1330
01:04:43,570 --> 01:04:41,150
falling leaf motion where it was two

1331
01:04:47,110 --> 01:04:43,580
lights that were kind of going up and

1332
01:04:49,090 --> 01:04:47,120
down up and down next to each other the

1333
01:04:51,450 --> 01:04:49,100
one woman it had a bat you know she had

1334
01:04:55,780 --> 01:04:51,460
actually had a quite an extraordinary

1335
01:05:01,330 --> 01:04:55,790
sighting back in her her youth the other

1336
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:01,340
woman was not really into UFOs but the

1337
01:05:06,550 --> 01:05:04,550
woman who was said let's get in the car

1338
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:06,560
let's go let's see if we can get there

1339
01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:08,810
yeah and they went chasing across

1340
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:10,750
downtown Asuza

1341
01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:14,240
I like to think of it as a car chase but

1342
01:05:18,330 --> 01:05:15,940
it wasn't like they were actually

1343
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,340
chasing it through Asuza and

1344
01:05:24,370 --> 01:05:20,960
unfortunately it would be a better story

1345
01:05:26,049 --> 01:05:24,380
if they had been but they got there

1346
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:26,059
as fast as they could and they got

1347
01:05:33,609 --> 01:05:28,400
caught they got caught in a cul-de-sac

1348
01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:33,619
near this park they stopped the car and

1349
01:05:37,380 --> 01:05:35,000
they were trying to figure out how they

1350
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,390
could get closer to the mountain range

1351
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:39,680
and the mountain range where this was

1352
01:05:47,529 --> 01:05:43,190
happening is an old they say that it's a

1353
01:05:49,269 --> 01:05:47,539
decommissioned torpedo base which is

1354
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:49,279
interesting it's in the mountains you

1355
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:51,410
know but there's a reservoir there's a

1356
01:05:58,120 --> 01:05:54,410
reservoir that's there there's there's

1357
01:06:00,809 --> 01:05:58,130
also you know mining fur fur for exotic

1358
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:00,819
metals in the area and that whole area

1359
01:06:07,690 --> 01:06:04,250
has been taken it was bought over by the

1360
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:07,700
federal government back about seven

1361
01:06:12,999 --> 01:06:10,430
years eight years ago so you can only

1362
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:13,009
get so close to where they were watching

1363
01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:16,730
this these two objects hovering anyhow

1364
01:06:22,569 --> 01:06:19,750
they were sitting in their car watching

1365
01:06:24,370 --> 01:06:22,579
the falling leaf motion of this thing we

1366
01:06:27,249 --> 01:06:24,380
know there was a light off to the right

1367
01:06:31,089 --> 01:06:27,259
hand side and they turned around and the

1368
01:06:34,299 --> 01:06:31,099
two women saw a flying saucer the thing

1369
01:06:39,249 --> 01:06:34,309
was about thirty five feet across had

1370
01:06:41,140 --> 01:06:39,259
four or five very delineated lights that

1371
01:06:44,589 --> 01:06:41,150
were under it was lighting the house

1372
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:44,599
that was underneath the object again

1373
01:06:50,859 --> 01:06:46,910
this thing would bleak in and out it's

1374
01:06:53,710 --> 01:06:50,869
like it had some sort of camouflage that

1375
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:53,720
was either not working properly or or

1376
01:07:02,259 --> 01:06:56,210
purposefully wasn't working so they

1377
01:07:04,089 --> 01:07:02,269
could see it so I mean they put the

1378
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:04,099
report and I got a hold of them the next

1379
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:07,160
day I went out to the site two days

1380
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:10,750
later and I interviewed both women I

1381
01:07:17,859 --> 01:07:13,490
talked to the the gentleman that owned

1382
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:17,869
the house and he was a very religious

1383
01:07:21,279 --> 01:07:19,490
man and he really didn't want to have

1384
01:07:24,279 --> 01:07:21,289
anything to do with it it was pretty

1385
01:07:25,749 --> 01:07:24,289
much get off of my lawn it is what he

1386
01:07:30,309 --> 01:07:25,759
was saying to me

1387
01:07:32,650 --> 01:07:30,319
Wow I pretty much you know I went to all

1388
01:07:34,749 --> 01:07:32,660
the houses around his and I talked to

1389
01:07:36,039 --> 01:07:34,759
people even my cards and unfortunately

1390
01:07:36,759 --> 01:07:36,049
this happened right around the

1391
01:07:38,289 --> 01:07:36,769
dinner-hour

1392
01:07:39,849 --> 01:07:38,299
so people

1393
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:39,859
weren't out on their porches they

1394
01:07:43,809 --> 01:07:41,089
weren't anywhere where they could have

1395
01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:43,819
seen this thankfully there was a guy

1396
01:07:52,509 --> 01:07:48,140
that lived in the town about how five

1397
01:07:55,749 --> 01:07:52,519
miles over and he watched the two

1398
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,759
objects by the hill leaving he described

1399
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:57,920
the exact same thing he didn't see the

1400
01:08:03,099 --> 01:08:00,559
flying saucer but he saw the two objects

1401
01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:03,109
over the hill he saw them leaving that

1402
01:08:10,299 --> 01:08:07,160
town so we do have one unconnected

1403
01:08:13,029 --> 01:08:10,309
witness to this case we have the two

1404
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:13,039
women who their stories remain the same

1405
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:15,410
over the last year and a half since this

1406
01:08:22,049 --> 01:08:19,369
their sighting happened and I'm you know

1407
01:08:25,689 --> 01:08:22,059
in constant contact with both of them

1408
01:08:29,379 --> 01:08:25,699
and then neither of them have any reason

1409
01:08:31,209 --> 01:08:29,389
to make some crazy story up like this so

1410
01:08:35,410 --> 01:08:31,219
to me that was one of the better

1411
01:08:38,339 --> 01:08:35,420
sightings that we we've had just more or

1412
01:08:41,499 --> 01:08:38,349
less usually refer to it as the Asuza

1413
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:41,509
UFO but that was a really really good

1414
01:08:46,780 --> 01:08:44,210
sighting I mean it was three different

1415
01:08:48,879 --> 01:08:46,790
objects that they were watching and you

1416
01:08:51,370 --> 01:08:48,889
have to wonder well why did this appear

1417
01:08:54,069 --> 01:08:51,380
to these women well they went chasing

1418
01:08:56,410 --> 01:08:54,079
after trying trying to find the UFO and

1419
01:08:58,780 --> 01:08:56,420
they couldn't quite get there and my

1420
01:09:01,149 --> 01:08:58,790
feeling and and and their feeling as

1421
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:01,159
well as was well maybe it turned around

1422
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:04,489
in it it it went and found down you know

1423
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,489
and that's sort of the nature of the

1424
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:09,679
phenomena you know it's a this is what I

1425
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:11,210
have found that I believe it's an

1426
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:13,460
interactive phenomena it's well aware of

1427
01:09:20,499 --> 01:09:17,150
us there's technologies that we can't

1428
01:09:21,970 --> 01:09:20,509
even begin to understand and and if you

1429
01:09:24,430 --> 01:09:21,980
have an interest I think that it

1430
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:24,440
probably has an interest in you you know

1431
01:09:30,339 --> 01:09:27,290
that probably has an interest in you so

1432
01:09:33,609 --> 01:09:30,349
these ladies were I think they were

1433
01:09:35,410 --> 01:09:33,619
being shown something yeah yeah that's

1434
01:09:37,959 --> 01:09:35,420
that's really an interesting one there's

1435
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:37,969
there's also you know I've mentioned

1436
01:09:42,609 --> 01:09:39,650
this a number of times on the show it's

1437
01:09:45,729 --> 01:09:42,619
also I think it's very interesting that

1438
01:09:48,609 --> 01:09:45,739
a lot of times people will have the same

1439
01:09:51,549 --> 01:09:48,619
sighting of a sighting over the same

1440
01:09:55,020 --> 01:09:51,559
whatever it is craft or whatever it is

1441
01:09:57,490 --> 01:09:55,030
many days either many days in a row or

1442
01:10:00,129 --> 01:09:57,500
you know it just makes you wonder why

1443
01:10:02,140 --> 01:10:00,139
something would stay regional why you

1444
01:10:05,049 --> 01:10:02,150
know if it's actually coming here from a

1445
01:10:06,879 --> 01:10:05,059
different area different say planet or

1446
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:06,889
dimensional wherever it's coming from

1447
01:10:12,490 --> 01:10:09,409
why wouldn't it do more exploring and

1448
01:10:14,260 --> 01:10:12,500
you know go across the landscape or from

1449
01:10:17,229 --> 01:10:14,270
one country to another country you very

1450
01:10:19,870 --> 01:10:17,239
rarely do you hear that I mean you do

1451
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:19,880
hear that yes but a lot of times it'll

1452
01:10:24,339 --> 01:10:22,010
show up in the same place you know a day

1453
01:10:25,049 --> 01:10:24,349
or two later and it just doesn't make

1454
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:25,059
any sense

1455
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:28,400
you don't really get reports like you

1456
01:10:32,859 --> 01:10:30,710
used to get back in the 1950s where oh

1457
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:32,869
well they are taking soil samples or

1458
01:10:37,899 --> 01:10:36,289
they're collecting fauna and my guess is

1459
01:10:42,879 --> 01:10:37,909
this has probably been going on for a

1460
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:42,889
long long time you know I this is just

1461
01:10:47,729 --> 01:10:45,920
hypothesis on on my part but I think

1462
01:10:51,390 --> 01:10:47,739
that the phenomena has been with us

1463
01:10:54,100 --> 01:10:51,400
forever you know Chuck Jacques Vallee

1464
01:10:57,549 --> 01:10:54,110
talks about this you know he talks about

1465
01:11:00,370 --> 01:10:57,559
the you know fairies and leprechauns and

1466
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,380
and and the weirdness that that's you

1467
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:02,719
know seems to have always been tagging

1468
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:05,449
planet Earth you know and and society

1469
01:11:10,540 --> 01:11:08,449
and and and of course Jacque fillet

1470
01:11:13,959 --> 01:11:10,550
believes that the UFO phenomenon is

1471
01:11:17,310 --> 01:11:13,969
probably a part of this that and and and

1472
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:17,320
I don't think that it's necessarily a an

1473
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:20,570
extraterrestrial phenomenon I think that

1474
01:11:25,270 --> 01:11:23,090
it's an outerspace phenomenon I think

1475
01:11:29,260 --> 01:11:25,280
that it could be dimensional as much as

1476
01:11:30,939 --> 01:11:29,270
it's from a distant star system you know

1477
01:11:33,339 --> 01:11:30,949
that it's all outerspace

1478
01:11:37,209 --> 01:11:33,349
to me it really is time and space are

1479
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:37,219
interconnected and I think that that our

1480
01:11:43,149 --> 01:11:40,130
visitors are coming from all different

1481
01:11:46,180 --> 01:11:43,159
points it's not just one thing that's

1482
01:11:48,669 --> 01:11:46,190
going on and what do you what's your

1483
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:48,679
opinion on what the government may or

1484
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:51,730
may not know about this phenomenon I

1485
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:54,440
think that they are well aware that

1486
01:12:01,479 --> 01:11:57,760
there is a phenomenon that that I know

1487
01:12:04,939 --> 01:12:01,489
just because of my my mom and and and

1488
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:04,949
the multiple FOIA requests

1489
01:12:09,229 --> 01:12:07,080
that people have been able to put in

1490
01:12:11,770 --> 01:12:09,239
that you know we know that the

1491
01:12:15,290 --> 01:12:11,780
government is very very interested in it

1492
01:12:18,380 --> 01:12:15,300
you know some people you hear a lot

1493
01:12:20,300 --> 01:12:18,390
about secret societies and and that that

1494
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:20,310
you know they're the secret space

1495
01:12:25,100 --> 01:12:22,890
program and I think you know that we do

1496
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:25,110
have a secret space program certainly we

1497
01:12:30,620 --> 01:12:27,980
do you know I mean the the the sr-71

1498
01:12:33,380 --> 01:12:30,630
Blackbird was was kept secret for many

1499
01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,390
many years and and that thing still

1500
01:12:38,780 --> 01:12:36,300
looks like a you know Buck Rogers for

1501
01:12:41,410 --> 01:12:38,790
God's sake makes more futuristic than

1502
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:41,420
anything that we have right now really

1503
01:12:47,870 --> 01:12:43,500
so I think that there's some of that

1504
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:47,880
going on but as far as why our visitors

1505
01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,170
are here I don't know that the

1506
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:51,420
government really is in the know about

1507
01:12:57,380 --> 01:12:54,570
it I I I think that there's there's a

1508
01:12:59,419 --> 01:12:57,390
lot of worry that people are gonna start

1509
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:59,429
asking them too many questions and they

1510
01:13:03,470 --> 01:13:01,320
won't be able to answer them I mean they

1511
01:13:06,110 --> 01:13:03,480
can't say that they can protect us from

1512
01:13:09,320 --> 01:13:06,120
them that's for sure right something you

1513
01:13:11,780 --> 01:13:09,330
can bleak in and out of existence or you

1514
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:11,790
know the the camouflage caused it to you

1515
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:14,820
know it's like you know Frodo Baggins

1516
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,130
invisibility cloak you know it's the

1517
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,440
same kind of thing you you can't really

1518
01:13:25,370 --> 01:13:21,360
fight something that you can't see that

1519
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:25,380
doesn't leave a radar track you know you

1520
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,510
know and so I think that that probably

1521
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:29,760
plays in there is that you know it's why

1522
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:32,040
it is a national security threat it

1523
01:13:38,030 --> 01:13:34,410
makes them look stupid is what it does

1524
01:13:39,169 --> 01:13:38,040
yeah well yeah they draw and they have

1525
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:39,179
no control over it

1526
01:13:44,860 --> 01:13:42,620
zero yeah yeah I think that's

1527
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:44,870
interesting and I I agree

1528
01:13:50,540 --> 01:13:47,760
basically that's kind of my thoughts on

1529
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:50,550
the situation not that I know any more

1530
01:13:54,850 --> 01:13:52,739
than anyone else but the fact that they

1531
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:54,860
probably don't really know they know

1532
01:14:00,669 --> 01:13:57,600
something's going on but you know and

1533
01:14:03,470 --> 01:14:00,679
then you know people talk about crashed

1534
01:14:06,590 --> 01:14:03,480
saucers and retrievals and all that and

1535
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:06,600
you know if that if that is really so

1536
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:08,610
then you know maybe they know a little

1537
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,170
more or some part of the government

1538
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:12,540
knows a little more or did maybe they

1539
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:16,199
don't anymore or a private part I think

1540
01:14:18,770 --> 01:14:17,910
they've got crash materials I'm sure

1541
01:14:21,140 --> 01:14:18,780
they do

1542
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:21,150
I'm sure they did you know after that I

1543
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:23,460
mean I know the Marcel family there you

1544
01:14:27,650 --> 01:14:25,410
know Denise Marcel is a very close

1545
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:27,660
personal friend and I talked with Jessie

1546
01:14:33,500 --> 01:14:30,420
Junior you know oh you know I talked

1547
01:14:35,660 --> 01:14:33,510
with him a lot and and you know that

1548
01:14:37,550 --> 01:14:35,670
that that's not just a story I mean

1549
01:14:40,580 --> 01:14:37,560
they're their grandfather came home with

1550
01:14:44,330 --> 01:14:40,590
his trunk filled with with memory metal

1551
01:14:46,730 --> 01:14:44,340
and my dear friend dr. Irena Scott she

1552
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:46,740
worked at Battelle Institute and there

1553
01:14:51,140 --> 01:14:48,810
were reports that came out of there that

1554
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:51,150
you know kind of corroborate that whole

1555
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:55,650
story that you know that there there was

1556
01:15:02,840 --> 01:14:58,320
a crash the materials that they found

1557
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:02,850
were light as a feather and if you would

1558
01:15:06,490 --> 01:15:05,010
crunch them up scrunch them up they

1559
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:06,500
would go right back to their original

1560
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:10,130
you know shape like there was a you know

1561
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:14,880
electrostatic element to that metal to

1562
01:15:18,590 --> 01:15:16,170
where it would go back to its original

1563
01:15:20,920 --> 01:15:18,600
shape you could hit it with a

1564
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:20,930
sledgehammer or shoot bullets at it and

1565
01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:24,810
nothing would happen you know and you

1566
01:15:29,780 --> 01:15:27,440
know when you say that this this is a

1567
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:29,790
also something that almost doesn't make

1568
01:15:35,870 --> 01:15:32,550
sense so it does all that but yet it

1569
01:15:38,450 --> 01:15:35,880
burst into pieces so how did that happen

1570
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:38,460
you know I don't know you know I mean

1571
01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:40,350
there's a part of me that wonders if

1572
01:15:49,100 --> 01:15:46,830
maybe that was you know intentional

1573
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:49,110
maybe they were giving us something

1574
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:51,510
there you know maybe they wanted us to

1575
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:55,410
have the technology and then the I think

1576
01:15:58,400 --> 01:15:57,510
there's kind of a hands-off policy with

1577
01:16:01,340 --> 01:15:58,410
us to a point

1578
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:01,350
it's obviously not hands-off I mean I do

1579
01:16:06,590 --> 01:16:03,840
believe that there I do believe that

1580
01:16:08,780 --> 01:16:06,600
that people are abducted by aliens I

1581
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:08,790
think that they're doing tests on us

1582
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:11,310
they are maybe interested in our DNA and

1583
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:15,450
I I am a member of MUFON experience or

1584
01:16:22,100 --> 01:16:18,960
research team and I talked to many many

1585
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,110
many abductees and visit ease and you

1586
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:24,480
hear the same stories over and over and

1587
01:16:30,260 --> 01:16:26,970
some people love their aliens some of

1588
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,270
them hate their aliens but you know it

1589
01:16:34,910 --> 01:16:32,699
sounds like something is going on

1590
01:16:37,339 --> 01:16:34,920
that that you know I mean there's

1591
01:16:40,549 --> 01:16:37,349
there's a lot of different elements to

1592
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,559
this phenomenon and it's ongoing its

1593
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:43,920
ongoing you know I've said a number of

1594
01:16:49,790 --> 01:16:46,679
times I've sometimes I feel like on the

1595
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:49,800
fence on that whole thing what is the

1596
01:16:55,759 --> 01:16:53,340
most convincing part of it to you is it

1597
01:16:59,589 --> 01:16:55,769
that you hear the same story or a

1598
01:17:02,779 --> 01:16:59,599
similar story from different people yes

1599
01:17:03,859 --> 01:17:02,789
right there I mean I I have people from

1600
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:03,869
all walks of life

1601
01:17:13,969 --> 01:17:07,800
I have scientists I talk with I have

1602
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:13,979
artists that I speak with and you hear

1603
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,070
the same stories over and over and over

1604
01:17:23,629 --> 01:17:19,679
again and I you know I mean I feel like

1605
01:17:25,969 --> 01:17:23,639
like if you take an interest in our

1606
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:25,979
visitors I mean I think that there's

1607
01:17:34,430 --> 01:17:32,010
it's sort of it's it's interconnected

1608
01:17:36,199 --> 01:17:34,440
you know it's like what I was saying

1609
01:17:39,109 --> 01:17:36,209
earlier that that if you're interested

1610
01:17:41,209 --> 01:17:39,119
in ET they're interested in you I think

1611
01:17:44,839 --> 01:17:41,219
that there's sort of like a joint thing

1612
01:17:49,370 --> 01:17:44,849
that happens between the abductees were

1613
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:49,380
visit ease and and our visitor or is you

1614
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:52,530
know but you you hear the same stories

1615
01:17:56,359 --> 01:17:54,570
over and over again and and you hear

1616
01:17:59,569 --> 01:17:56,369
about people going into a hypnagogic

1617
01:18:01,699 --> 01:17:59,579
state you hear about the AHS effect

1618
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:01,709
taking place where it gets very very

1619
01:18:11,449 --> 01:18:07,760
very quiet you hear the just the same

1620
01:18:15,469 --> 01:18:11,459
stories over and over again people with

1621
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:15,479
implants they've been medically examined

1622
01:18:23,569 --> 01:18:20,940
I know that you know that the to the

1623
01:18:26,449 --> 01:18:23,579
stars guys that you were talking about

1624
01:18:29,419 --> 01:18:26,459
earlier that that apparently apparently

1625
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:29,429
Robert Bigelow does have does have

1626
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:34,320
materials the the experiencer research

1627
01:18:38,180 --> 01:18:36,510
team that I work for that they've they

1628
01:18:42,469 --> 01:18:38,190
have materials I mean they've they've

1629
01:18:45,859 --> 01:18:42,479
gathered implants from people I know one

1630
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:45,869
gentleman who I talked with pretty

1631
01:18:49,310 --> 01:18:46,650
regularly

1632
01:18:51,470 --> 01:18:49,320
he's become friend he was never a MUFON

1633
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:51,480
case he's just somebody I met at a MUFON

1634
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:55,620
meeting and we've kept in touch but he

1635
01:19:00,350 --> 01:18:57,810
keeps on going back and having implants

1636
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:00,360
taken out of his foot and they keep

1637
01:19:07,850 --> 01:19:04,110
returning he's had them checked out

1638
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,860
before and it you know you keep on

1639
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:10,320
hearing about these you know the

1640
01:19:15,710 --> 01:19:14,280
metallurgy of the devices had to have

1641
01:19:18,500 --> 01:19:15,720
been created in a zero-gravity

1642
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:18,510
environment which is not something that

1643
01:19:23,450 --> 01:19:21,410
we can do yet as far as we know anyway

1644
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:23,460
why are they putting these tracking

1645
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:27,780
objects in us you know now it brings to

1646
01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:30,330
mind to me I'm a bit of a zoo hypothesis

1647
01:19:34,820 --> 01:19:32,550
in a way because I feel like there's a

1648
01:19:36,650 --> 01:19:34,830
hands-off policy to a point you know the

1649
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:36,660
we want you to believe in us but not

1650
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:39,690
that much but yet there's this continual

1651
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:42,090
interaction you know but they want to

1652
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,370
have the plausible deniability there in

1653
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:47,520
place and then there's always some some

1654
01:19:52,700 --> 01:19:50,130
crazy aspect to these cases you know

1655
01:19:54,860 --> 01:19:52,710
that almost makes them laughable you

1656
01:20:00,320 --> 01:19:54,870
feel embarrassed to tell your own story

1657
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:00,330
out there because it's so absurd but you

1658
01:20:03,890 --> 01:20:01,890
know it's just like if you have a wild

1659
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:03,900
animal park you're gonna go in there and

1660
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:05,730
you're gonna check up on your animals

1661
01:20:10,690 --> 01:20:06,930
every now and then you're going to

1662
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:10,700
tranquilize them you're gonna track them

1663
01:20:16,280 --> 01:20:14,010
and you they do know that you're there

1664
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:16,290
but they don't want the animals to think

1665
01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:19,050
that you're there that much right you

1666
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:22,740
know that there there's you know it's

1667
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:24,930
and maybe the prime directive from Star

1668
01:20:31,100 --> 01:20:28,710
Trek is the best example of that so I

1669
01:20:33,950 --> 01:20:31,110
believe that we are being visited I know

1670
01:20:36,230 --> 01:20:33,960
we're being visited you know I've had

1671
01:20:41,240 --> 01:20:36,240
strange occurrences in my own life you

1672
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:41,250
know and and I'll tell you this since I

1673
01:20:47,330 --> 01:20:44,850
began as as a MUFON field investigator

1674
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:47,340
I've had a strain of synchronicities in

1675
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:53,010
my life just coincidences that are

1676
01:21:00,609 --> 01:20:56,370
meaningful that keep on taking place

1677
01:21:03,669 --> 01:21:00,619
over and over and over again in my life

1678
01:21:06,189 --> 01:21:03,679
for I was doing this so you know hands

1679
01:21:08,679 --> 01:21:06,199
on every once in a while you you'd have

1680
01:21:10,619 --> 01:21:08,689
a meaningful coincidence it would happen

1681
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:10,629
you know I would I would have a

1682
01:21:15,879 --> 01:21:13,369
meaningful coincidence but now it's sort

1683
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:15,889
of like this the second nature of my

1684
01:21:21,489 --> 01:21:19,489
life and that that is new that's that's

1685
01:21:24,729 --> 01:21:21,499
been going on for four years it didn't

1686
01:21:26,859 --> 01:21:24,739
happen before then so you know I do

1687
01:21:28,869 --> 01:21:26,869
believe that we're being interacted with

1688
01:21:30,759 --> 01:21:28,879
and I think that if you're interested in

1689
01:21:33,069 --> 01:21:30,769
them and you're studying them and you're

1690
01:21:35,020 --> 01:21:33,079
trying to understand it that it's going

1691
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:35,030
to amplify that it's going to happen in

1692
01:21:41,649 --> 01:21:37,070
your own life and then take me up on

1693
01:21:44,739 --> 01:21:41,659
that out there you know if if you if you

1694
01:21:47,589 --> 01:21:44,749
really really really you know spend some

1695
01:21:49,869 --> 01:21:47,599
time and and energy and try to figure

1696
01:21:52,270 --> 01:21:49,879
this out try to understand what's

1697
01:21:54,719 --> 01:21:52,280
happening on earth I'm willing to bet

1698
01:21:57,489 --> 01:21:54,729
you you're gonna have some strange

1699
01:22:00,279 --> 01:21:57,499
meaningful coincidences taking place in

1700
01:22:01,149 --> 01:22:00,289
your life you'll see it and you know

1701
01:22:06,339 --> 01:22:01,159
write them down

1702
01:22:08,139 --> 01:22:06,349
log book because I I do you know and I

1703
01:22:11,049 --> 01:22:08,149
mean it's gotten to the point now where

1704
01:22:17,100 --> 01:22:11,059
I just kind of I I just sort of go yeah

1705
01:22:20,469 --> 01:22:17,110
there again you know it's a thing so

1706
01:22:23,229 --> 01:22:20,479
what it all means I'm not sure you know

1707
01:22:27,549 --> 01:22:23,239
what what their final you know I think

1708
01:22:29,619 --> 01:22:27,559
that I'm not sure I don't think that

1709
01:22:31,839 --> 01:22:29,629
it's a malevolent phenomenon I don't

1710
01:22:34,869 --> 01:22:31,849
think that it's necessarily a benevolent

1711
01:22:37,239 --> 01:22:34,879
phenomenon it either I think that it's

1712
01:22:40,209 --> 01:22:37,249
just like us but it's just more advanced

1713
01:22:42,850 --> 01:22:40,219
than we are but if you draw close to

1714
01:22:43,919 --> 01:22:42,860
it'll draw close to you I'll guarantee

1715
01:22:46,419 --> 01:22:43,929
you that

1716
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:46,429
someone in chat wanted to know what your

1717
01:22:55,569 --> 01:22:50,300
thoughts are as far as things running in

1718
01:22:59,709 --> 01:22:55,579
a family yes it seems to have a familial

1719
01:23:02,739 --> 01:22:59,719
thing to it my mom when she was a child

1720
01:23:06,279 --> 01:23:02,749
she had a strange encounter with she

1721
01:23:08,020 --> 01:23:06,289
called it ball lightning but I've talked

1722
01:23:09,939 --> 01:23:08,030
about her experience with a few

1723
01:23:11,770 --> 01:23:09,949
scientists and they you know people say

1724
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:11,780
well ball lightning can last about five

1725
01:23:16,570 --> 01:23:14,480
six seconds max

1726
01:23:20,530 --> 01:23:16,580
um my mom talked about when she was a

1727
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:20,540
little girl she was growing up in Iowa

1728
01:23:26,290 --> 01:23:23,690
Muscatine Iowa and she and her sister

1729
01:23:28,810 --> 01:23:26,300
would sleep on the the they had a

1730
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:28,820
screened-in porch that they would sleep

1731
01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:32,330
in and one night my mom heard this

1732
01:23:37,330 --> 01:23:34,670
buzzing sound she was falling asleep and

1733
01:23:38,710 --> 01:23:37,340
she heard this loud buzzing sound she

1734
01:23:41,470 --> 01:23:38,720
got up she sat up

1735
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,480
she had her pillows there and she said

1736
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:44,000
that there was this ball of sparks that

1737
01:23:49,060 --> 01:23:47,210
it sounded like a hive of bees and she

1738
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:49,070
watched this thing come through the

1739
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:52,070
screen door she said it like squeezed

1740
01:23:58,090 --> 01:23:53,930
right through and retained its shape

1741
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:58,100
this is about basketball-sized Wow and

1742
01:24:05,229 --> 01:24:02,239
it came into their porch area it hovered

1743
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,239
over her cistern just hovered there for

1744
01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:07,760
a little while it came back to my mom

1745
01:24:14,350 --> 01:24:10,760
and hovered near her again and then it

1746
01:24:17,500 --> 01:24:14,360
pushed back out through the screen my

1747
01:24:19,540 --> 01:24:17,510
mom said that she she got up out of the

1748
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:19,550
little bed roll that she had set up and

1749
01:24:27,820 --> 01:24:22,239
and she actually chased this ball of

1750
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:27,830
sparks across a cornfield and it was

1751
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:31,250
about 30 to 40 feet above her when it

1752
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,370
just stopped there and it was hanging

1753
01:24:38,710 --> 01:24:36,080
there in the sky and she said that she

1754
01:24:41,410 --> 01:24:38,720
got under this thing she said it smelled

1755
01:24:43,660 --> 01:24:41,420
like an electric train which is ozone

1756
01:24:46,180 --> 01:24:43,670
right now she smelled you know is

1757
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:46,190
electricity and she said that it

1758
01:24:54,190 --> 01:24:51,530
literally went pop and it was gone now

1759
01:24:57,460 --> 01:24:54,200
my mom talked about the story her sister

1760
01:24:59,410 --> 01:24:57,470
talked about it as I was growing up mom

1761
01:25:02,020 --> 01:24:59,420
know I know our old family heard about

1762
01:25:03,930 --> 01:25:02,030
this story but there's there's other

1763
01:25:08,710 --> 01:25:03,940
people that have had the same experience

1764
01:25:12,670 --> 01:25:08,720
there's this ball lightning effect I'm

1765
01:25:15,220 --> 01:25:12,680
gonna bring up my friend dr. Irena Scott

1766
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:15,230
again that she and her sister had a

1767
01:25:21,430 --> 01:25:17,810
similar event happened when they were

1768
01:25:24,459 --> 01:25:21,440
little girls it was smaller it was like

1769
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:24,469
ping-pong ball sized it came into the

1770
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:26,530
room it was spinning around their light

1771
01:25:31,070 --> 01:25:28,440
both of them remember

1772
01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:31,080
you don't share hallucinations right

1773
01:25:38,479 --> 01:25:34,710
they both were awake and alert and they

1774
01:25:41,870 --> 01:25:38,489
saw this it was like observing them it

1775
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:41,880
and it left their house but it left them

1776
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:45,420
with this this big question mark in

1777
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:48,690
their lives and and you know Irena went

1778
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:50,850
on to work for the DIA she worked for

1779
01:25:57,950 --> 01:25:53,850
Battelle Institute who who may have

1780
01:26:00,560 --> 01:25:57,960
actually gotten the Roswell wreckage but

1781
01:26:05,860 --> 01:26:00,570
tell you know they they figure out the

1782
01:26:11,149 --> 01:26:09,740
objects that you know if you get a like

1783
01:26:14,570 --> 01:26:11,159
in the World War two if you got a

1784
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:14,580
Japanese zero that came down and there

1785
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:16,320
was some strange metal in it that we

1786
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:17,850
didn't understand that would that's

1787
01:26:23,899 --> 01:26:21,810
where it would go so but but there are

1788
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:23,909
many many people that have this similar

1789
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:28,290
story to my mom's story and if it sounds

1790
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:30,330
like we're being observed it sounds like

1791
01:26:33,020 --> 01:26:31,409
we're being watched

1792
01:26:35,780 --> 01:26:33,030
you know I would call that a probe of

1793
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:35,790
some sort yeah Wow

1794
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:38,420
someone in chat wanted you to talk about

1795
01:26:50,419 --> 01:26:43,010
the most interesting experience or case

1796
01:26:55,459 --> 01:26:50,429
that you can think of I had I had one

1797
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,469
case the the gentleman who who reported

1798
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:58,320
it to us did not go anonymous with it so

1799
01:27:03,919 --> 01:27:00,060
I can actually mention him his name's

1800
01:27:06,939 --> 01:27:03,929
Jeff edgemon and he was it's it's a

1801
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:06,949
historic case it happened back in 1992

1802
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:10,350
but he and his family they did he had

1803
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:12,570
had a newborn son about a month before

1804
01:27:18,470 --> 01:27:15,570
and they were going to take their their

1805
01:27:22,129 --> 01:27:18,480
little baby to meet the meet the

1806
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:22,139
relatives they lived in Bakersfield so

1807
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:26,400
they were driving and it was late in the

1808
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:30,900
evening and they pulled the car

1809
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:34,920
Jeff pulled the car over well he had he

1810
01:27:41,970 --> 01:27:37,560
had to take a little bathroom break and

1811
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:41,980
in nature's bathroom right but

1812
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:45,130
his wife were out there he was actually

1813
01:27:49,050 --> 01:27:47,410
out there and he asked his wife to come

1814
01:27:49,740 --> 01:27:49,060
out he said hey honey come here check

1815
01:27:51,540 --> 01:27:49,750
this out

1816
01:27:53,970 --> 01:27:51,550
she comes out when they're watching

1817
01:27:57,210 --> 01:27:53,980
there's just these really really bright

1818
01:28:00,540 --> 01:27:57,220
stars that were above them and it just

1819
01:28:02,460 --> 01:28:00,550
was unnaturally bright and they're just

1820
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:02,470
they thought maybe it was just because

1821
01:28:08,970 --> 01:28:03,850
they were out in the desert they were

1822
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:08,980
near China Lake area so they're looking

1823
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:11,050
at the sky and the stars start moving

1824
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:14,320
around they're like going all kinds of

1825
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:17,410
different directions you know it's like

1826
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:20,560
what is it like some secret program or

1827
01:28:28,860 --> 01:28:25,500
these satellites they watched them

1828
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:28,870
literally fall from the sky it's like in

1829
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:32,080
a circle around them and came down to

1830
01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:36,550
the desert floor at this point Jeff

1831
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:38,920
noticed is this red ball of light that's

1832
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:42,010
in the that's in the weeds off to the

1833
01:28:47,700 --> 01:28:44,170
right side you know just off of the road

1834
01:28:49,170 --> 01:28:47,710
and it's like he told me he said that it

1835
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:49,180
was almost like the way that you would

1836
01:28:53,729 --> 01:28:51,250
play with a kitten with a laser pointer

1837
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:53,739
I feel like they were trying to distract

1838
01:28:59,130 --> 01:28:57,040
me from what else was going on so he was

1839
01:29:02,900 --> 01:28:59,140
trying to follow this ball of light that

1840
01:29:05,790 --> 01:29:02,910
kept on moving around and moving around

1841
01:29:08,370 --> 01:29:05,800
it was just got very strange he said

1842
01:29:10,590 --> 01:29:08,380
that it became quiet you know he

1843
01:29:13,290 --> 01:29:10,600
couldn't hear crickets chirping you you

1844
01:29:16,020 --> 01:29:13,300
you could hear sounds it became like

1845
01:29:20,910 --> 01:29:16,030
muffled like a cone of silence from got

1846
01:29:25,380 --> 01:29:20,920
smart you know which is anyhow Justin

1847
01:29:28,050 --> 01:29:25,390
was he said that his wife had been to

1848
01:29:31,290 --> 01:29:28,060
the left of him suddenly she wasn't

1849
01:29:33,900 --> 01:29:31,300
there he hears her voice way behind him

1850
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:33,910
on the other side of the street and he

1851
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:35,650
said the way he described it he said it

1852
01:29:40,350 --> 01:29:37,960
was like my wife's boy voice but it

1853
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:40,360
wasn't her voice and she said they

1854
01:29:49,500 --> 01:29:46,450
aren't going to hurt us don't worry this

1855
01:29:52,260 --> 01:29:49,510
point I for some reason I keep on

1856
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:52,270
bringing up flying saucers today with

1857
01:30:00,060 --> 01:29:55,930
you Mardon but I guess that's just the

1858
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:00,070
of the day he saw a disc that was

1859
01:30:05,190 --> 01:30:02,890
hovering about four or five feet over

1860
01:30:08,190 --> 01:30:05,200
the ground comes skimming over the

1861
01:30:11,460 --> 01:30:08,200
desert floor and he was just he said he

1862
01:30:13,650 --> 01:30:11,470
nearly peed his pants notice a oil

1863
01:30:17,130 --> 01:30:13,660
worker guy looks like Bruce Springsteen

1864
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:17,140
he's no-nonsense you know no funny

1865
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:22,170
business about this guy whatsoever and

1866
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,570
he watched this thing just race past him

1867
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:27,520
he said that he can see the moon

1868
01:30:34,500 --> 01:30:29,920
reflected on the side that it was like a

1869
01:30:38,190 --> 01:30:34,510
chromed saucer and suddenly his memories

1870
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:38,200
just go blank at that point now it was

1871
01:30:44,330 --> 01:30:40,480
about eight hours later that he and his

1872
01:30:46,710 --> 01:30:44,340
wife came to is the word that he used

1873
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:46,720
but they were standing up they were

1874
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:48,570
leaning up against the bumper of the car

1875
01:30:54,630 --> 01:30:52,840
the Sun was up there like trying to

1876
01:30:56,430 --> 01:30:54,640
figure out what had happened but they're

1877
01:30:58,230 --> 01:30:56,440
not really talking about it they're

1878
01:31:00,390 --> 01:30:58,240
there feeling embarrassed it's almost

1879
01:31:04,650 --> 01:31:00,400
like somebody told them don't talk about

1880
01:31:06,810 --> 01:31:04,660
this they got back into the car the

1881
01:31:08,990 --> 01:31:06,820
three children were still in the car the

1882
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:09,000
baby was in the car seat the the two

1883
01:31:13,770 --> 01:31:12,370
older boys were asleep like it was 8

1884
01:31:14,780 --> 01:31:13,780
o'clock in the morning they were still

1885
01:31:17,580 --> 01:31:14,790
asleep

1886
01:31:19,770 --> 01:31:17,590
and they got in the car they kept on

1887
01:31:22,410 --> 01:31:19,780
driving and they drove to the relative's

1888
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:22,420
house eight hours later than they were

1889
01:31:30,990 --> 01:31:28,440
neither of them felt like they were

1890
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:31,000
supposed to talk about it when Jeff

1891
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:33,010
started talking about it a little bit

1892
01:31:39,060 --> 01:31:36,130
you know like months later she was very

1893
01:31:41,940 --> 01:31:39,070
uncomfortable with talking about it and

1894
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:41,950
it eventually wound up causing a rift in

1895
01:31:48,540 --> 01:31:43,690
their marriage it was it was a problem

1896
01:31:50,490 --> 01:31:48,550
for her to bring it up and that that's

1897
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:50,500
one of my favorite cases that was

1898
01:31:55,890 --> 01:31:52,210
actually the first unknown that I ever

1899
01:31:59,760 --> 01:31:55,900
closed for MUFON and I'm very very proud

1900
01:32:03,210 --> 01:31:59,770
of that case we were able to you know as

1901
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:03,220
far as evidence went the date that it

1902
01:32:07,530 --> 01:32:05,770
happened in the end and he he remembered

1903
01:32:09,570 --> 01:32:07,540
the shape of the moon that he saw

1904
01:32:12,420 --> 01:32:09,580
reflected in the side of the flying

1905
01:32:14,820 --> 01:32:12,430
ah sir and it was exactly as you know

1906
01:32:18,180 --> 01:32:14,830
farmers almanaque said it was it was

1907
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:18,190
like a quarter moon a little a little to

1908
01:32:24,990 --> 01:32:22,330
the waxing side you know it was just a

1909
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:25,000
wonderful case every every direction I

1910
01:32:30,330 --> 01:32:27,970
looked at it and and it's still a good

1911
01:32:33,060 --> 01:32:30,340
case and it's still an open for me I

1912
01:32:36,270 --> 01:32:33,070
mean I closed it as an unknown but I I

1913
01:32:40,620 --> 01:32:36,280
keep on I keep in touch with Jeff and

1914
01:32:42,990 --> 01:32:40,630
and I think that as far as the cases

1915
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:43,000
that I've closed it's not a recent one

1916
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:44,950
but it's one that I think about a lot

1917
01:32:50,550 --> 01:32:47,410
and then that eight hours is very

1918
01:32:53,790 --> 01:32:50,560
interesting yeah that's that's really a

1919
01:32:57,000 --> 01:32:53,800
great one so where where is your the

1920
01:33:00,480 --> 01:32:57,010
region that you actually work in is that

1921
01:33:02,100 --> 01:33:00,490
just go up to a certain area and in

1922
01:33:05,190 --> 01:33:02,110
Southern California can kind of give us

1923
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:05,200
a geography the geography of where were

1924
01:33:11,220 --> 01:33:08,410
you do your investigations I I have from

1925
01:33:13,650 --> 01:33:11,230
San Diego out to central California a

1926
01:33:16,980 --> 01:33:13,660
little past San Luis Obispo where my

1927
01:33:21,060 --> 01:33:16,990
boss was with Jeff Crouse my state

1928
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:21,070
director and friend lives and then then

1929
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:24,040
up Northern California we kind of split

1930
01:33:29,820 --> 01:33:25,810
the state because it's such a huge state

1931
01:33:32,370 --> 01:33:29,830
so my friend Ruben Uriarte oh yeah is a

1932
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:32,380
state director of Northern California

1933
01:33:37,530 --> 01:33:34,180
and and so they have a wonderful team

1934
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:37,540
there at California I mean we have two

1935
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:40,330
of the best MUFON teams that I know you

1936
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:42,850
know I'm very very proud of us you know

1937
01:33:48,890 --> 01:33:45,850
of the guys up north as well as I am of

1938
01:33:52,140 --> 01:33:48,900
our own field investigators out here

1939
01:33:54,080 --> 01:33:52,150
between the two groups I think that

1940
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:54,090
we've got California pretty well covered

1941
01:33:59,780 --> 01:33:57,610
right now are there any cases that

1942
01:34:02,760 --> 01:33:59,790
you're aware of that there was actually

1943
01:34:06,890 --> 01:34:02,770
multiple states involved in other words

1944
01:34:10,010 --> 01:34:06,900
California say something drifted into

1945
01:34:12,900 --> 01:34:10,020
you know Utah or Arizona or other

1946
01:34:23,339 --> 01:34:12,910
connecting states what would have been

1947
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:23,349
you talk hmm yeah sure all we had one

1948
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:26,289
case that I closed recently and it was

1949
01:34:33,899 --> 01:34:28,329
it was actually another unknown it was

1950
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:33,909
another aerospace gentleman and it was

1951
01:34:38,089 --> 01:34:35,679
it was another case of where these guys

1952
01:34:41,429 --> 01:34:38,099
were on a fishing trip you know I guess

1953
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:41,439
if you want to be et go go fishing you

1954
01:34:46,859 --> 01:34:44,530
know stay out late you know is again it

1955
01:34:49,889 --> 01:34:46,869
was like 2:00 or 3:00 in the morning and

1956
01:34:52,919 --> 01:34:49,899
I was himself and his friend and his

1957
01:34:56,429 --> 01:34:52,929
friend's girlfriend and they saw an

1958
01:34:59,790 --> 01:34:56,439
object that was coming from the

1959
01:35:01,919 --> 01:34:59,800
direction of he he mentioned you know it

1960
01:35:05,489 --> 01:35:01,929
could have been coming from area 51 and

1961
01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:05,499
that that's Nevada it's 300 miles away

1962
01:35:09,149 --> 01:35:07,689
from where he was so I don't know if

1963
01:35:10,949 --> 01:35:09,159
that's where it was coming from but

1964
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:10,959
that's the only one the only case I

1965
01:35:15,659 --> 01:35:13,449
could think of but this was another case

1966
01:35:18,270 --> 01:35:15,669
where these guys saw something that

1967
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:18,280
looked like a pair of wraparound

1968
01:35:24,899 --> 01:35:22,239
sunglasses it was 500 feet across and it

1969
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:24,909
was here you can see multiple decks on

1970
01:35:31,319 --> 01:35:28,530
this thing and people walk across and

1971
01:35:33,689 --> 01:35:31,329
and again you know is the same kind of

1972
01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:33,699
you know once it was directly over them

1973
01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:36,369
they felt a hum that seemed to make

1974
01:35:43,589 --> 01:35:38,590
their hair stand up and made them feel

1975
01:35:47,909 --> 01:35:43,599
uncomfortable and it kept on traveling

1976
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:47,919
off towards the the ocean and and so if

1977
01:35:52,469 --> 01:35:50,050
he was correct if that was coming from

1978
01:35:54,619 --> 01:35:52,479
Nevada in that direction and I guess

1979
01:35:57,270 --> 01:35:54,629
that would have crossed state lines

1980
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:57,280
other than that one I can't think of

1981
01:36:03,509 --> 01:35:59,699
anything that comes to mind immediately

1982
01:36:06,449 --> 01:36:03,519
except perhaps the the UFO we were

1983
01:36:08,969 --> 01:36:06,459
talking about earlier in the show that

1984
01:36:11,580 --> 01:36:08,979
was heading towards the Baja coast that

1985
01:36:14,129 --> 01:36:11,590
would actually run into Mexico Yeah

1986
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:14,139
right right that's interesting you're

1987
01:36:18,659 --> 01:36:17,050
talking about the I guess it sounds like

1988
01:36:21,989 --> 01:36:18,669
it could be electromagnetics or

1989
01:36:25,469 --> 01:36:21,999
something you know the static the static

1990
01:36:26,599 --> 01:36:25,479
situation that's now what about triangle

1991
01:36:29,729 --> 01:36:26,609
UFOs

1992
01:36:31,369 --> 01:36:29,739
get lots of those yeah lots of those

1993
01:36:35,459 --> 01:36:31,379
would you say there's that's a

1994
01:36:37,409 --> 01:36:35,469
dominating factor or you know 5050 as

1995
01:36:39,209 --> 01:36:37,419
far as the shapes go I know there's

1996
01:36:42,089 --> 01:36:39,219
always the lights in the sky you know as

1997
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:42,099
separate it from that people see a lot

1998
01:36:48,109 --> 01:36:44,169
of right now I mean the the the main

1999
01:36:51,779 --> 01:36:48,119
thing people see are our spheres or orbs

2000
01:36:54,359 --> 01:36:51,789
right behind it or discs and triangles

2001
01:36:57,779 --> 01:36:54,369
and then you've got you know

2002
01:37:00,299 --> 01:36:57,789
diamond-shaped objects and else what and

2003
01:37:03,149 --> 01:37:00,309
you know my guess is is that we're being

2004
01:37:05,009 --> 01:37:03,159
like I was saying earlier I don't think

2005
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,019
it's just one thing that's going on I

2006
01:37:10,290 --> 01:37:08,320
like some of the UFOs are ours just like

2007
01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:10,300
people would see the x-15 or they would

2008
01:37:15,540 --> 01:37:13,209
see the sr-71 and they would mistake it

2009
01:37:19,169 --> 01:37:15,550
for a UFO sure you know some of these

2010
01:37:23,790 --> 01:37:19,179
things are our own objects our own black

2011
01:37:26,429 --> 01:37:23,800
projects yeah I think it's very very you

2012
01:37:28,859 --> 01:37:26,439
know very possible that we've figured

2013
01:37:34,580 --> 01:37:28,869
out anti-gravity or at least some of

2014
01:37:36,779 --> 01:37:34,590
that and the black triangles I keep on

2015
01:37:38,580 --> 01:37:36,789
you know and I know people are gonna

2016
01:37:40,439 --> 01:37:38,590
fight with me about this and your

2017
01:37:42,869 --> 01:37:40,449
friends are gonna fight with me about it

2018
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:42,879
but I think that they look like they are

2019
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:45,760
coming out of a factory they're all the

2020
01:37:50,129 --> 01:37:48,010
same shape they have the three lights on

2021
01:37:55,139 --> 01:37:50,139
the edges they have the one red light in

2022
01:37:58,529 --> 01:37:55,149
the center and whereas the more the

2023
01:38:00,899 --> 01:37:58,539
stranger UFOs they don't really look

2024
01:38:05,119 --> 01:38:00,909
like they came out of a factory they

2025
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:05,129
seem to shape-shift more and and they

2026
01:38:11,699 --> 01:38:08,800
they really don't have that manufactured

2027
01:38:13,799 --> 01:38:11,709
look to them but the black triangles

2028
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:13,809
seem to have sort of a manufactured look

2029
01:38:19,259 --> 01:38:16,719
to them so III oftentimes think that

2030
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:19,269
those are probably ours well I would

2031
01:38:25,529 --> 01:38:21,280
almost agree with you on that

2032
01:38:28,279 --> 01:38:25,539
but there it's been so many early

2033
01:38:30,989 --> 01:38:28,289
sightings that are describing exactly

2034
01:38:33,629 --> 01:38:30,999
you know the same thing or extremely

2035
01:38:35,310 --> 01:38:33,639
close to it you know all the way back

2036
01:38:37,439 --> 01:38:35,320
into the 70s and I just can't imagine

2037
01:38:39,629 --> 01:38:37,449
that they would throw a bat like that in

2038
01:38:42,659 --> 01:38:39,639
the 70s that would never be exposed by

2039
01:38:45,089 --> 01:38:42,669
now well looking at what by now look at

2040
01:38:46,949 --> 01:38:45,099
the Russian space program they they came

2041
01:38:47,550 --> 01:38:46,959
up with a lunar module that looked

2042
01:38:50,220 --> 01:38:47,560
almost

2043
01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:50,230
exactly like ours they had a prototype

2044
01:38:57,330 --> 01:38:52,120
of a space shuttle that looked almost

2045
01:39:00,630 --> 01:38:57,340
exactly like our space shuttle and so

2046
01:39:03,150 --> 01:39:00,640
perhaps we we've you know we're we're

2047
01:39:04,980 --> 01:39:03,160
may be copying that which we've seen you

2048
01:39:06,930 --> 01:39:04,990
know we may be copying something that's

2049
01:39:09,630 --> 01:39:06,940
not from here that's what I think is

2050
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,640
probably going on is that there it's

2051
01:39:13,220 --> 01:39:11,920
it's a human version of something that

2052
01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:13,230
that isn't human

2053
01:39:19,850 --> 01:39:16,180
hmm and you know we talked earlier about

2054
01:39:23,250 --> 01:39:19,860
to the Stars and one of one of their

2055
01:39:26,310 --> 01:39:23,260
mission statements is to try to figure

2056
01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:26,320
out you know propulsion or you know try

2057
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:30,610
to try to replicate alien technology if

2058
01:39:35,940 --> 01:39:32,590
that's what it is

2059
01:39:37,910 --> 01:39:35,950
by observation and I I just I don't

2060
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:37,920
understand exactly how that would work

2061
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:41,170
you have any thoughts on that and on

2062
01:39:48,090 --> 01:39:45,760
that statement by them well you know the

2063
01:39:49,950 --> 01:39:48,100
parts of this phenomena that you can get

2064
01:39:53,010 --> 01:39:49,960
under a microscope and that you can

2065
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:53,020
figure out go for it you know I mean I

2066
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:55,360
it seems like this this phenomena is

2067
01:40:01,020 --> 01:39:58,810
science with fuzzy edges and sometimes

2068
01:40:05,730 --> 01:40:01,030
it acts a little bit like like you know

2069
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:05,740
the like it's you know the paranormal

2070
01:40:10,380 --> 01:40:08,170
phenomenon and then I I think that it's

2071
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:10,390
not so much paranormal as is that we

2072
01:40:15,750 --> 01:40:12,190
just need to expand our idea of what

2073
01:40:20,940 --> 01:40:15,760
normal is probably you know if you look

2074
01:40:23,010 --> 01:40:20,950
at the the old you know the physics

2075
01:40:25,230 --> 01:40:23,020
experiment with the two slits you know

2076
01:40:28,740 --> 01:40:25,240
where where is it of is it a wave or a

2077
01:40:31,260 --> 01:40:28,750
particle yeah it's it's it's no stranger

2078
01:40:34,260 --> 01:40:31,270
than that if you think about it you know

2079
01:40:37,020 --> 01:40:34,270
I in Stein sort of recoiled at the idea

2080
01:40:40,590 --> 01:40:37,030
that God would play dice with the

2081
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:40,600
universe but it seems like God just just

2082
01:40:45,570 --> 01:40:43,380
playing dice with the universe you know

2083
01:40:47,550 --> 01:40:45,580
so there's there's a part of this

2084
01:40:49,110 --> 01:40:47,560
phenomena that we can certainly pinpoint

2085
01:40:51,390 --> 01:40:49,120
down and that we can explain

2086
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:51,400
scientifically I think and I think

2087
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:53,050
there's also going to be a part of it

2088
01:41:01,199 --> 01:40:55,650
that's always probably going to evade us

2089
01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:01,209
until at least we reott Ain that level

2090
01:41:06,179 --> 01:41:03,550
that that our visitors have attained and

2091
01:41:09,509 --> 01:41:06,189
and Oakley we will and I you know I'm

2092
01:41:12,959 --> 01:41:09,519
all for what what to the stars is doing

2093
01:41:14,729 --> 01:41:12,969
and Robert Bigelow and all those guys if

2094
01:41:16,529 --> 01:41:14,739
they can you know approach this

2095
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:16,539
scientifically and if they can figure

2096
01:41:21,779 --> 01:41:19,570
out how to replicate it go for it you

2097
01:41:22,589 --> 01:41:21,789
know it's just please you know share it

2098
01:41:25,500 --> 01:41:22,599
with the public

2099
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:25,510
don't don't you know exactly and yeah

2100
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:29,110
yeah I'm hoping for that too because you

2101
01:41:35,399 --> 01:41:32,050
know otherwise you know conspiracies

2102
01:41:38,399 --> 01:41:35,409
will start for one thing well it's all

2103
01:41:39,959 --> 01:41:38,409
the Illuminati you know yeah which I

2104
01:41:41,969 --> 01:41:39,969
don't you know I don't I don't think it

2105
01:41:44,429 --> 01:41:41,979
is I mean please don't quote me saying

2106
01:41:45,839 --> 01:41:44,439
that because you know you know I think

2107
01:41:49,410 --> 01:41:45,849
that we probably have figured some

2108
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:49,420
things out you know my mom certainly

2109
01:41:55,859 --> 01:41:53,130
hinted at that while I was growing up

2110
01:41:58,649 --> 01:41:55,869
but I don't think that we're at the

2111
01:42:00,209 --> 01:41:58,659
level of our visitors by a longshot

2112
01:42:02,279 --> 01:42:00,219
you know they're probably you know

2113
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:02,289
millions of years ahead of us you know

2114
01:42:06,989 --> 01:42:05,050
so it's gonna seem like magic to us I

2115
01:42:08,839 --> 01:42:06,999
mean it is you know any sufficiently

2116
01:42:12,509 --> 01:42:08,849
advanced technology it's

2117
01:42:14,729 --> 01:42:12,519
indistinguishable from magic for us and

2118
01:42:17,549 --> 01:42:14,739
and so here we are you know we're like

2119
01:42:20,669 --> 01:42:17,559
Galileo beam you know Galileo Galileo

2120
01:42:24,390 --> 01:42:20,679
Galileo let me go you know and of an

2121
01:42:27,330 --> 01:42:24,400
iPhone you know it's Galileo is really

2122
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,340
smart you know or da Vinci you know you

2123
01:42:32,729 --> 01:42:29,199
look at all of his stuff but if you had

2124
01:42:36,569 --> 01:42:32,739
handed him you know an iPhone or my my

2125
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:36,579
iMac or whatever you know my MacBook he

2126
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:39,030
would have thought that it was

2127
01:42:45,330 --> 01:42:42,130
supernatural and witchcraft is involved

2128
01:42:48,089 --> 01:42:45,340
you know it's voodoo then they called

2129
01:42:50,549 --> 01:42:48,099
they called you know advanced physics

2130
01:42:53,609 --> 01:42:50,559
voodoo physics you know there's a reason

2131
01:42:55,979 --> 01:42:53,619
why that that non occurs is on there it

2132
01:42:58,890 --> 01:42:55,989
does seem like voodoo to us you know but

2133
01:43:01,589 --> 01:42:58,900
it just advanced technology is what

2134
01:43:04,770 --> 01:43:01,599
we're observing with UFOs I believe

2135
01:43:07,229 --> 01:43:04,780
right well it's not a misidentified

2136
01:43:09,089 --> 01:43:07,239
natural phenomena like a sundog or

2137
01:43:13,529 --> 01:43:09,099
something yeah exactly

2138
01:43:15,090 --> 01:43:13,539
well we are at at the end and so I want

2139
01:43:18,540 --> 01:43:15,100
to thank you so much

2140
01:43:19,950 --> 01:43:18,550
for being our guest tonight Thank You

2141
01:43:24,690 --> 01:43:19,960
Mardon it was a pleasure

2142
01:43:26,730 --> 01:43:24,700
we just brushed the surface of this back

2143
01:43:29,070 --> 01:43:26,740
I'd love to come back yeah we didn't

2144
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:29,080
talk about muffins experience or

2145
01:43:33,450 --> 01:43:30,940
research team that I'm working for you

2146
01:43:36,870 --> 01:43:33,460
know I I'm working with Kathleen Marden

2147
01:43:39,570 --> 01:43:36,880
and and George medic tanned and some of

2148
01:43:42,690 --> 01:43:39,580
the the guys were a tip of the spear as

2149
01:43:45,750 --> 01:43:42,700
far as the experience or phenomenon goes

2150
01:43:48,930 --> 01:43:45,760
and that that is just so interesting to

2151
01:43:49,530 --> 01:43:48,940
me yeah it's great well thanks again it

2152
01:43:52,590 --> 01:43:49,540
was great

2153
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:52,600
Thank You Barden all right take care you

2154
01:43:55,830 --> 01:43:53,050
too

2155
01:43:58,910 --> 01:43:55,840
yeah bye alright everyone so that's it

2156
01:44:02,070 --> 01:43:58,920
for the show thank you so much for

2157
01:44:04,350 --> 01:44:02,080
watching and listening and I also want

2158
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,360
to give a shout out to Dave Dixon thanks

2159
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:06,880
so much for your strong support and

2160
01:44:14,010 --> 01:44:10,330
we'll be back next week with Kevin day

2161
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:14,020
and MJ bonus will be on as well and I

2162
01:44:19,500 --> 01:44:17,260
want to thank you all again for hanging

2163
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:19,510
in with us and we'll be back to the